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for the masses headline today july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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is fade to black with your host jimmy

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church

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on the game changer radio network and

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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yeah man bespoke radio

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how you doing how you doing today's

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march 2nd 2021

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61 days 61 days into the new year

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only 304 days left we are live from a

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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here we go continuing another great week

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man tonight very special guest

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jim harold jim harrell joins us tonight

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show me how it's done posted the

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paranormal podcast

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of course jim harold's campfire pod

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soul mate stories jim harold is here for

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the very first time

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and i am looking forward to this

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conversation tomorrow night

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author and researcher matthew bailey

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is here talking about his new book it's

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called inventing world 3.0 evolutionary

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ethics for

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artificial intelligence matthew

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very very respected in the world of

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going to want to miss uh tomorrow night

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course is another fader night with open

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all night long night

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what a what a strange day it was

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and we're going to get to this in just a

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talking about the weirdness follow me on

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on all of our syndicated partners out

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there hello to everybody and then of

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you guys are causing trouble causing

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trouble join our chat rooms

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uh 2 000 tweets go down uh during a show

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if you've never witnessed that

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hashtag f2b just come over and hang out

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with the fader knots

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i can't keep up with it you guys just

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make me laugh all night long

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and uh so there you go an email of

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course at jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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all right let's get to the breaking news

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parallel universe news i don't know what

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because reese's that's right

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now you think of reese's i say reese's

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the cereal and that's fine but the other

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peanut butter cups the chocolate

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the peanut butter and nothing goes

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parallel world stuff reese's latest

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version of its peanut butter cup will be

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all peanut butter no chocolate

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that's right this was announced today by

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the reese's ultimate peanut butter

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is made entirely of peanut butter both

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that its peanut butter cups have taken

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it's just in by the way a plane

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hijacking the cockpit

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after an angry cat which somehow got

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some things you just can't make up

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other parallel world news just for this

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texas governor greg abbott today has

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tate reeves said he will soon uh

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without any state imposed rules

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parallel world yet all right i'll leave

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aren't real billboard video

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have you seen the birds

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aren't real that's all you got to do

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you can thank me later let's get this

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show cracking happy birthday to today

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double-oh-seven daniel craig today is

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he looks older than keith richards i'm

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cole play front man today chris martin

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is 44 and our dead

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guy's birthday today karen carpenter

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was an amazing singer and a great

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who along with her brother richard was

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of the carpenters their string of hits

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started out with ticket to ride in 1969

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close to you we've only just begun rainy

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hurting each other yesterday once more

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i won't last today without you and

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of course calling all occupants of

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interplanetary craft

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the recognized anthem of world contact

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day karen suffered from an eating

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disorder since she was a teenager by

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her weight had dropped to around 90

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then on february 4th 1983 shortly after

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she collapsed in her bedroom at her

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parents home right here in downey

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paramedics found her heart beating once

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she was pronounced dead at pih health

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at 9 51 a.m she was just

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32 years old happy birthday karen on

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the world's first outer planetary probe

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is launched from cape canaveral florida

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on a mission to jupiter fader fact

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when nintendo you know nintendo

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the gaming company the platform when

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nintendo was

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formed there were only 38

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us states in the union the company that

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brought us super mario

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and pokemon was formed in september

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of 1889. and that is your favorite fact

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tonight very special guest jim harold

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host of the paranormal podcast joins us

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for the very first time

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tomorrow night author researcher matthew

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bailey is here for a full night

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that's right it's the best coffee in the

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their amazon store all of the links are

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over at jimmychurchradio.com

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you see that picture i posted yesterday

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one of the fader knots ordered

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20 pounds of fade to black blend

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20 that's what happens

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it's so good that you know you order a

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pound

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drinking you know and then

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one morning you wake up and you're out

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of fade to black blend and you have a

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heart attack

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that's that's it that's what happens so

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you order 20 pounds you

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never want to have that happen get yours

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jimmy what's this jimmy i say reese's

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half of you think the cereal me there's

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a cereal

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that's good that's good

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that's from dan is not a cat

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on twitter yeah i know what you're

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saying and reese's peanut butter cup

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cereal is uh

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is pretty good it's not captain crunch

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peanut butter crunch good

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but it's good it's good and it it will

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do

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right if you're out of the cap'n crunch

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peanut butter crunch and you've got

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reese's

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on the shelf you're okay and you know

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that

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butter crunch good i've thought about

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that a million times

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why didn't they just put a chocolate

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coating

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on captain crunch and call that reese's

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they would have had a home run

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home run just doesn't make any sense

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does it but

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anyway i digress

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so tonight we have on jim harold

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i'm very excited about this and in

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celebration

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i thought i'd share with you

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my very own campfire story

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that's right i give to you

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the dead bird now

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dear listener everything that i'm about

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to share with you

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is absolutely true and it is with

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anything of this nature that many of you

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will consider it to be

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fantastical sensational and even

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fictional

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but i can assure you that everything

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that is about to be revealed

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did happen and is not the product

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of a wild imagination

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it all started on a hot summer's day

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back in the year of 2012.

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your narrator was on his patio at his

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home in burbank california

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enjoying a cup of coffee and thinking

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about the day ahead

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now after finishing my coffee taking the

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last

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sip i went back into the kitchen to

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refill my cup

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and tend to my dogs

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with my pets fed after about 10 minutes

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in my home

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i grabbed my coffee cup and headed back

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out to the patio

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as i placed my cup onto the table

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i saw to my left something white

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it was on the ground in the middle of

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the yard

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but it wasn't there just a few minutes

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before

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startled i turned my head to look

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and what i saw didn't make any sense

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it was a pile of white feathers

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that was about five feet in diameter

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perfectly placed in the center of our

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i looked around to see if anyone was

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running away it was strange

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i saw nothing not a soul nothing was

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quiet

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confused i walked up to the feathers

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to get a closer look

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and i also thought about how i was going

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to clean up this mess

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because feathers were now blowing around

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covering every corner of our garden now

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my first thought was that

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someone had somehow

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dumped the stuffings of a pillow in our

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yard as a prank

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that's what i was thinking

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and and now i'm stuck cleaning up the

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but as i got closer i saw something

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and then i noticed the same color red

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on many of the feathers that were now at

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this point

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covering everything

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it was blood as i looked down

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i could clearly see that it was a bird

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and it appeared to me that it had

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exploded from where it laid on the

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ground

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that's what it looked like but i didn't

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hear anything from the kitchen

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and the kitchen is just 10 feet away the

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patio doors were

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open there were no noises whatsoever

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what could have done this

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to this bird why didn't i see or

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hear anything the kitchen windows are

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right there making coffee the kitchen

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sink the windows looking out

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out of the paddock i didn't see anything

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was it attacked in the air by something

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really really

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big and then dropped here

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right was it thrown over our property

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wall

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these are the things i'm thinking i

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don't even know

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what i'm looking at now neither of these

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conclusions made any sense because the

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feathers

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were all over the yard whatever happened

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something pulled hundreds of bloody

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feathers

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there was there was nothing left of

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of the bird's body the entire center of

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its

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torso had just exploded outwards

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and the combination of bright red and

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white

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just stood out it's taking up my entire

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field of vision it was bizarre

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i was perplexed

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the situation that i found myself in at

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that moment i didn't have

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answers for nothing made any sense

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i turned to check on my dogs

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porsha and malcolm to make sure that

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they didn't come out into the yard into

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this mess

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and there they stood in the patio

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doorway looking at me

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they didn't want anything to do with the

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patio they didn't and they didn't dare

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step

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outside which was strange

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then i walked over to our back property

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wall and i looked over there's nothing

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nobody there i walked around to the side

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of our house

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gates closed locked nobody there nothing

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and then i come back out into the yard

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and i looked up into the sky

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in all directions you know i'm looking

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for some you know what

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some giant vulture some giant eagle

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something some huge whatever it was was

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if it was a bird in the sky was bigger

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than

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this on the ground and this was a big

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bird

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i don't know

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everything seemed eerily quiet

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and i look back and

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[Applause]

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i had to uh i had to get some gloves

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i had to clean up the mess i had to rake

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up the feathers

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then i had to wash the blood and

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everything else

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strange when i was finished

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i sat back down to the cup of coffee

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that i

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poured an hour earlier it's of course

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now cold

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and as i sipped i thought about what i

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had just witnessed

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i don't know i mean was it something

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supernatural

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it was so bizarre why was it a

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white bird why our yard

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right i mean was it for me

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was it a message of some kind

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was it an accident was it just

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nature and the cycle of life

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you know was it some deranged individual

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who threw a murdered bird

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over a random wall the wall that just

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happened to be ours

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now it's been eight years since that

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eventful day

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and an answer to the questions

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they just they're not there

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since then there were no other birds

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deposited

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in our yard dead or alive and

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and i think about this often

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the way that um and this is eight years

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ago

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the way that it went down everything

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logically like physics and weight and

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distribution and

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and and all of this

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i question everything like how

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in our yard the bird

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wasn't like shot in the sky with a

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shotgun

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but that wouldn't have caused what i had

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seen

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it was weird if it was a

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bird attacking another bird in the sky

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and it just

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how did it's how was it exploded

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just open it was open for me to see

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it was it just happened it was just

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bright red

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and and the amount of blood on

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all of the feathers that were everywhere

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i i it just doesn't make any sense

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how did the feathers get out of the bird

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with blood on them all over the yard

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doesn't make any sense doesn't make any

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sense

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so it's one of those unexplained strange

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events

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i remember uh rita came home later on

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that day

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this happened in in like at noon or 11

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o'clock

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and she came home and

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the feathers i didn't get them all raked

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up

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you know there were still feathers

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throughout the yard

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and i'm telling her the story it's

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bizarre

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church

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i'm sharing that crazy story

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my little campfire campfire story

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celebration of jim harold jim harold

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joins us tonight

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very excited about this and jim of

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course

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is the long-running host of the

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paranormal podcast

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tomorrow night right here matthew bailey

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it is all artificial intelligence all

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night long

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thursday night fader night with open

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lines you can follow me on twitter at

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break with our guest jim harold stay

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with us

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight

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jim harold is here really excited about

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this

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tonight media professional

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long-running host of the paranormal

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podcast jim is

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not only the host of the paranormal

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podcast in jim harold's campfire

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this summer he will celebrate his 16th

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anniversary of podcasting on the unknown

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before becoming a full-time podcaster in

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2012 jim worked on the business side of

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media for over 15 years

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he has written a popular series of five

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campfire books featuring the best tales

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of the unknown from his podcast

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true ghost stories jim harold's campfire

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one two three four and five all kindle

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number one supernatural bestsellers

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jim's programs have been downloaded over

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50 million times the paranormal podcast

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and jim harold's campfire

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are among the top 1 of most downloaded

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podcast

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libsyn

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all of his websites are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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i would like to welcome for the first

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time to fade to black jim harold

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jim good evening man how are you very

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good good to be with you and the fader

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knots thank you so much jimmy for the

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opportunity

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and really looking forward to this

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tonight just say fader knots for me one

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more time that was too cool

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fate or nuts that's what i'm talking

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about now this is the deal jim

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uh you're a first-time guest so you get

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the first time guest disclaimer

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which is this jim it's just you and i

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends

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but we're gonna end as friends there you

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go simple enough are you ready

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i'm ready now uh you know what you know

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what's

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uh great about this you know host to

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host um

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but i have to admit i'm a little

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intimidated and that doesn't happen

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yeah i don't know why but thank you

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it doesn't happen too often you've got a

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large fan base out there

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and uh and i know that they're here

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tonight

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they're excited uh about this but we

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have so many of the fader knots that

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listen to what you do and and are big

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fans of yours

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so it's kind of like rita was saying

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before the show it's like a two

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it's a two-parter and it's like a

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reese's peanut butter

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it is it is somewhat like yeah and uh

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can we announce what's gonna happen uh

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in a couple of days

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you want to do that now too uh yeah i'm

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not

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i forgot what's happening but what's

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happening what's happening on march

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4th march 4th look at your calendar

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look at my calendar oh yes that that yes

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jimmy church is going to be on the

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youtube stream on my youtube channel

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and it's going to be 3 p.m eastern and

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i'm looking forward to it so

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yeah that reese's thing will continue

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you caught me off yeah i'm like what's

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happening i don't know what's

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you know it's a little later here so

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i've got i've got my

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coffee i don't have your coffee i need

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to get some of that yeah yeah i'll send

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some out there to you

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uh it's it's a it's a life-changing uh

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situation

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you know the the first the first cup is

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free

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right i'll do that for you i see how it

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works that's the way to do it yeah the

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first taste is always

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yeah now um i actually want to talk a

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little um

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a little internet logistics uh with you

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because

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you and i um were

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thinking the same things you know 10 15

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years ago about

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where the internet was headed um what

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the possibilities were for the future

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uh we both have a significant other a

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wife

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that we have to uh talk

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sense into them like hey there's a nice

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my wife has to talk sense into me

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well we we know yeah okay that's exactly

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what goes on around here

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and you know and you know sharing this

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vision of the future

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is is a tough thing to be a pioneer and

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to go out there

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and and break down walls but that's what

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you did

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was even a word

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right it hadn't been invented yet but

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you had this idea what first off what

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made you

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think about the future what was that and

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then why

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the paranormal well a couple things

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first of all i mean podcasting had the

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word had been invented in 2015

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but it was like a little embryo like

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nobody knew

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you know i i would tell people i had a

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podcast and be like pod what

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what what is that what is that thing and

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we know now it's on everybody's lips

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not only do i does everybody know it

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everybody now has a podcast

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but the what happened was uh basically i

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had gone to school

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for college graduated in the early 90s

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in broadcasting

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00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,240
to be on air actually uh folks you can't

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00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,680
see my video but if you could you could

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00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,440
say how would that guy be on tv but

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00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:05,599
that's what i studied was tv

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and uh ended up working at a radio

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station in

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advertising because back in the day

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pre-internet really

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uh before internet made a major mark

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00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,000
they said and you know this jimmy

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get call letters on your resume get any

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sweep the floors get the boss coffee do

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whatever and i there was a sales

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assistant job up so i took it

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and this was a in a major market not the

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los angeles or anything but cleveland

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which is a major market

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and uh i was and it was uh

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00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,960
it wasn't a highly rated station but i

846
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,720
noticed that sales people made more

847
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,560
money than the people on air but yet

848
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,240
at this station because it was a small

849
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,480
station you got to do a lot you got to

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00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,560
write copy got to do all this cool stuff

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00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,280
and i'm like

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00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,960
this sales thing isn't too bad there's a

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00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,400
creative side to it now

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00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,040
when i got to bigger stations and things

855
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,800
like cbs radio i would find that

856
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,480
everything's very siloed and you kind of

857
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,240
you stick to this area and you don't go

858
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:59,680
in the studio you know that kind of

859
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,320
stuff

860
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:03,520
but anyway so i fell into sales 15 years

861
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,160
later or

862
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,200
13 years later i um

863
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,240
i found that i was kind of stuck

864
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,319
uh you know i liked what i did but i

865
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,800
always wanted to get behind the mic

866
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,880
and uh so that was the idea of

867
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:18,480
broadcasting what appealed to me about

868
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,599
podcasting

869
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,280
you're friends with leo laporte the

870
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,800
great tech journalist and

871
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,240
podcaster and broadcaster i was a fan

872
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:29,119
like you and we had a great chat offline

873
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,680
this week

874
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,280
where we talked about our mutual love of

875
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,720
broadcasting

876
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,040
but i was a big fan of leo's and started

877
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,960
listening to him on the kfi site

878
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,960
streaming and he was talking about this

879
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,400
thing called a podcast so i started

880
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,000
listening to him i started to

881
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,079
listen to adam curry who actually was

882
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,359
the co-inventor

883
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,839
of podcasting yeah daily source code at

884
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:48,960
that time

885
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,319
uh and i and i listened to monica

886
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,920
i could never do anything like that but

887
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:56,000
there were a few enthusiasts doing stuff

888
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,400
like

889
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,640
in their basements and i listened to

890
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,680
some of those

891
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,359
and i'm like well i could do as good as

892
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,560
they can

893
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,240
[Laughter]

894
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,400
so i said you know what i'm gonna get my

895
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,599
the 40

896
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,000
headset uh plug it into my crappy

897
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,599
windows computer get a

898
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,760
uh get a hosting account over at libsyn

899
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,160
which i've been with since 2005.

900
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,680
and boom and i started as a hobby and it

901
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:21,920
was funny because

902
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,880
the podcast kept progressing and my job

903
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,000
i kept hitting

904
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,520
my head against the the the the wall i

905
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,040
would suggest things and

906
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,440
digital things that have come to pass

907
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,200
the big companies have done

908
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,800
a decade before they were doing them and

909
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,640
they would just say i'll go sell another

910
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:39,440
banner ad

911
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,880
go sell another commercial so uh but the

912
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,960
podcast all this time on the side kept

913
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,760
growing

914
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,480
and in 2012 i was able to take it full

915
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,760
time one more thing

916
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,920
you would ask me why the paranormal yes

917
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,359
when i started this

918
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,960
i said well i want to do something it's

919
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:56,319
got to be something i'm really

920
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:57,040
interested in

921
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,520
in politics even though i don't get

922
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,720
political on my shows quite

923
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,839
intentionally

924
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,319
uh i'm interested in sports but the

925
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,160
truth is i can't bring anything to the

926
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,640
table for sports politics or music

927
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,720
music he can't do on podcasting because

928
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,839
of rights issues

929
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,800
you know i wasn't going to compete with

930
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,560
anybody in the political arena

931
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,880
and sports you know i'm not going to be

932
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,560
better than some sportscaster but there

933
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,680
weren't a lot

934
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,640
of paranormal podcasts out there when i

935
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:28,720
started there were just a couple i think

936
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:31,760
one of uh and it was so early that i got

937
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,319
the name

938
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,800
the paranormal podcast that tells you

939
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:35,839
how early it was

940
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,800
sure and that is totally honest it's not

941
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,680
like

942
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:41,599
oh you just did it because it was hot

943
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,800
and there were these tv shows for me

944
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,119
the paranormal and my fascination why

945
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:48,800
talk paranormal i mean all the stuff not

946
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:51,839
just ghost i mean ufos cryptids

947
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,599
all the stuff and the fascination for me

948
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,839
goes back to the mid 70s when i was five

949
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,359
six years old watching the leonard d

950
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,400
moynihan in search of

951
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,240
and that never left me and when i was

952
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,160
thinking about this i thought any time

953
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,359
you know when people used to go to

954
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,920
libraries and bookstores when i would go

955
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,359
one of the sections that i would never

956
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,359
miss and it was always too small was the

957
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,079
paranormal

958
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,839
section i would always look and see what

959
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,760
was new and i always listen to people

960
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:16,400
like art

961
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,319
of course and george nori and uh

962
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,240
you know i just uh i said you know let's

963
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:23,839
do it on the paranormal not many people

964
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,640
are doing it and

965
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,160
it should be fun and in six months i'll

966
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:28,160
do this show jimmy and i'll have all

967
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,530
these mysteries solved

968
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,040
[Laughter]

969
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,480
didn't work out that way i think we all

970
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,760
have uh how do i say this

971
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:41,040
uh i think we all have the dream that we

972
00:43:46,480 --> 00:44:02,390
the how do i say

973
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,870
show and you get to the next show um you

974
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:06,160
get humbled

975
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,480
you get close and then the goal posts

976
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,119
move

977
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,560
that's right it's mo i was going to say

978
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,480
the same thing it's a moving target

979
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,000
i really think there's a trickster

980
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,680
element to all of this and something

981
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,200
that's a little bit messing with it said

982
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,560
oh no you don't

983
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,839
but now i okay so with that

984
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,920
do you find i want to talk about your

985
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,960
childhood and

986
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,040
you know let's do this opening questions

987
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,400
but um

988
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,960
do you find that especially since you

989
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,720
started the podcast

990
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,680
um and and covering these subjects that

991
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,640
these subjects

992
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,760
follow you now do you have incidents and

993
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,800
things that happen

994
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,119
in your life that that may not have

995
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:50,319
happened in the previous 50 years

996
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,319
well uh yeah uh well i'm not uh well

997
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,599
well i'd start i was

998
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,000
in my i was like 34 when i started so

999
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,240
i'm 51 now so

1000
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:02,800
uh but yeah i think a little bit a

1001
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,680
little bit but

1002
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:06,240
my family had had experiences they

1003
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,720
weren't

1004
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,800
there were like a couple of stellar

1005
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,720
experience then my wife had a remarkable

1006
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,000
experience all before i started

1007
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,440
podcasting

1008
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,839
and then but i never really had a lot i

1009
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,280
had a couple of little things

1010
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,119
but i had a couple of profound ones

1011
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,520
since but no like full-body apparitions

1012
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,119
or anything like that i tend to have

1013
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,200
like weird synchronicities happen

1014
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,560
and i just want to say this real quick

1015
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,160
and i'll get back to the question i

1016
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,760
loved your first story because that's my

1017
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,000
favorite kind of campfire story we do a

1018
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,760
show called jim harold's campfire

1019
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,960
and i have a thing i call head

1020
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,920
scratchers and head scratchers are my

1021
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,640
favorites

1022
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,800
they don't really fit into one category

1023
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,760
or the other

1024
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,280
it's just one of those things i'm like

1025
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,839
what the heck was that all about

1026
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,760
and that's exactly what what your story

1027
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:49,599
was but i had grown up

1028
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,840
my my family was from west virginia

1029
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,480
[Laughter]

1030
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,040
and uh i remember this one story if you

1031
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,560
don't mind if i share it

1032
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,520
because i love this story uh this must

1033
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,599
have happened like in 1970

1034
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,680
i was like a baby and they were down

1035
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,440
visiting down in west virginia my

1036
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,359
grandparents and they left me with

1037
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,119
grandma so they could go to

1038
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,880
well i don't want to get too specific

1039
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,119
but some kind of assume a lover's laying

1040
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,720
kind of

1041
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,960
deserted area and i don't want to know

1042
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,560
anything about that but

1043
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,640
anyway what happened was my dad was

1044
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:25,599
driving this big old 68 buick

1045
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,119
le saber you know land yacht and uh

1046
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,680
they had gone out and they were parked

1047
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,359
and they said that uh

1048
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,480
a light illuminated the whole sky

1049
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,319
and it was there for about 30 to 60

1050
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,720
seconds so much so that my dad said

1051
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,880
you could read the speedometer numbers

1052
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,640
then my dad claimed he looked to his

1053
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,800
left and he saw a man with a whale

1054
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,800
welding what he described it as a man

1055
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:50,480
with a welding mask

1056
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,360
and who had his hands stuck up

1057
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:53,520
[Music]

1058
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,119
so at that point my uh dad proceeded to

1059
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,000
get out of dodge and i mean you know

1060
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,440
these rural areas they are

1061
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,040
dark there are no street lights there's

1062
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,200
nothing it's pitch black darkness

1063
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,920
and then my mom as she described it in

1064
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,200
her accent

1065
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,880
and she's passed unfortunately my dad's

1066
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,560
still with us thankfully he still tells

1067
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,440
the story exactly the same

1068
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,760
she said i saw birds on the side of that

1069
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,760
bank were the biggest ones you ever saw

1070
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,599
in your life

1071
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,079
and uh and then they got out of there

1072
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,839
they expected to hear something on the

1073
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,920
news about some big explosion or

1074
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,720
something nothing

1075
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,800
nothing at all and but that was a story

1076
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,760
i was told

1077
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,960
when i was like four years old

1078
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,240
and it never changed and there was

1079
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,000
another story a great story my dad

1080
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,920
had but my my dad was a steel worker

1081
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,079
my mom was a homemaker these were salt

1082
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,440
of the or these

1083
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,760
salt of the earth people not given to

1084
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:49,760
sleeping with crystals under their beds

1085
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,079
or

1086
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,440
you know getting in touch with the

1087
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,440
oneness of the universe just regular

1088
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:54,880
working class folks

1089
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,920
and yet these stories they swore by they

1090
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,680
told the same story

1091
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,160
year after day after day year after year

1092
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,680
never changed

1093
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,520
and it's not like they didn't have a new

1094
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,960
story every week

1095
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:09,119
these two like these two really central

1096
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,000
stories happen

1097
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,760
i think somehow that made an impression

1098
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
on me that there was something

1099
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,319
greater in the universe than us and and

1100
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,240
that something weird was going on

1101
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,119
and years later doing the show i and i'm

1102
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,400
sure you've interviewed him mike

1103
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,359
clelland

1104
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,960
who has done work on owls and the

1105
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,760
messengers i kind of got to thinking hey

1106
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,839
was that a screen memory of some type

1107
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,920
that my parents had who knows

1108
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,480
but but i come by my interest in the

1109
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,280
paranormal

1110
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,920
very honestly it's not like i started

1111
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,880
watching

1112
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,280
you know these shows in the 2000 frankly

1113
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:42,720
i don't watch the shows

1114
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,559
because they're not my cup of tea but um

1115
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,760
it's not like i started watching these

1116
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,160
shows in in in 2000 i said

1117
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:52,319
business opportunity no it's because i

1118
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,280
personally

1119
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
enjoy what i do now what i do now it's a

1120
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,280
combination of love

1121
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,960
and it is a business it's the way i make

1122
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:00,480
my living

1123
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,000
excuse me just like you and uh but that

1124
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,839
love is still there and that interest is

1125
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,680
still there and that desire to kind of

1126
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,680
get to the truth is still there

1127
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,359
but i hate to say i don't think i ever

1128
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,280
will get to the truth but boy it's a lot

1129
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,040
of fun

1130
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,480
a welding mask yeah isn't that weird

1131
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,480
yeah that's uh that's the way he

1132
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,480
described it now it could have been an

1133
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,160
alien wearing some kind of mask

1134
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,240
well he's a steel worker right so he's

1135
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:27,920
just gonna relate to

1136
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,359
what yeah exactly but a welding mask

1137
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,480
wow wow that that it just stops you

1138
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,920
right there just wondering

1139
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,839
what i mean obviously space suit you

1140
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,680
know comes to mind i mean i could get it

1141
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,119
i'm not going to do it right now because

1142
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:42,640
he'd be like jimmy what are you trying

1143
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,040
to do

1144
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,520
because he calls me jimmy uh he said

1145
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,680
well what in the world am i on the radio

1146
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,280
no but i could call him right now and he

1147
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,119
would tell you the exact same story

1148
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,160
now um do they uh

1149
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,119
today when they talk about that do they

1150
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,400
think it was

1151
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,160
um you know a ufo a flying saucer an e.t

1152
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,079
experience or do they think it was

1153
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,680
something else

1154
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,240
well unfortunately my mom's past but my

1155
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,680
but she would have said the same thing

1156
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,960
they would have said well i don't know

1157
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,720
what it was but i know what happened

1158
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,160
that's what they would say they wouldn't

1159
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,559
say oh i think it was you know

1160
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,480
you know if i told them whitley strieber

1161
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:20,319
they wouldn't know him from george bush

1162
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:23,599
i mean they don't follow the literature

1163
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:24,240
they're not

1164
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,319
per se i do remember occasionally

1165
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,119
watching you know in search of or those

1166
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,800
are the old movies if you remember the

1167
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,160
old movies they used to have

1168
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,119
uh like the the rod sun international

1169
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,520
and rod serling and that stuff you know

1170
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,599
in search of ancient astronauts i

1171
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,800
remember watching some of that stuff

1172
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,400
with my dad but they are not

1173
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,839
in the rabbit hole they don't know the

1174
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,640
terminology um

1175
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,680
i just say he would say if i asked him

1176
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,599
well i don't know what it was jimmy but

1177
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,359
i know it was something

1178
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,960
now you're a member of the media and

1179
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,280
i have to uh you know just ask you

1180
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,280
straight out of the gate

1181
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:06,839
what do you make of what is happening

1182
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:09,920
today in in the media whether it's

1183
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,119
network television cable television or

1184
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,400
even the news

1185
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,520
uh or the new york times it seems that

1186
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,319
the paranormal is everywhere it's it's

1187
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,319
programming uh ufos

1188
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,040
are everywhere it's a subject that isn't

1189
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,160
the tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff anymore

1190
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,440
it's it's now part of pop culture and

1191
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:33,839
it's just everywhere why do you think

1192
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,839
this shift

1193
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,200
happened i think a couple different

1194
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,319
things at play

1195
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,920
when you look at something like travel

1196
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,359
channel for example you know it really

1197
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,680
should be now the paranormal channel

1198
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,359
but the reason they do it it's good

1199
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,680
business i mean i used to joke when i

1200
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,720
was in radio

1201
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:51,040
and and i'm like for example one of the

1202
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,559
things i love because of my

1203
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,440
uh upbringing i love rock music i love

1204
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,359
you know jazz music but i also love like

1205
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,079
classic

1206
00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:00,880
real country music uh from the olden

1207
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,359
days

1208
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,880
and you know you won't hear that on the

1209
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,040
radio now because it doesn't sell

1210
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,880
i always said the program directors

1211
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,319
would you know and

1212
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,960
and sales managers and gm's and

1213
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,200
conglomerates would program the sound of

1214
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,880
gargling if they could sell ads against

1215
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,760
it and make money

1216
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,800
sure uh so i think part of it's just

1217
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,359
good business but i also think

1218
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,680
specifically with the ufo topic

1219
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,920
i think there's something else going on

1220
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,280
i don't know if it's uh

1221
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:30,720
aimed at trying to uh you know because

1222
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,599
it's weird because i

1223
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,400
yeah i work in the media and have for

1224
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,599
years but i'm also

1225
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,160
one of these people who you know i am on

1226
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,680
the believer's side now i'm not

1227
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,760
what i would call a true believer i

1228
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,280
think i'm

1229
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,440
i'm convinced there's something going on

1230
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,000
but any one case you know i i kind of

1231
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:49,760
have to hear it and see if i think that

1232
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,000
it

1233
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,200
automatically believe

1234
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,119
that that everybody who thinks they've

1235
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,440
seen a ufo has sent a spacecraft

1236
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,680
piloted by interdimensional beings or

1237
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,640
aliens

1238
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,960
but i do believe that some of those

1239
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:04,800
cases it might very well be something

1240
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,359
like that

1241
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,119
so i i kind of have both sides of the

1242
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,960
coin the the believer side and also the

1243
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,920
media side

1244
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,640
but something's changed because i

1245
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:14,319
remember going here in the

1246
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,160
cleveland area where i'm from uh about

1247
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:21,599
10 years ago maybe eight years ago even

1248
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:25,520
and i went to a ufo uh meeting of a ufo

1249
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,400
group

1250
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,200
and you know blossom you know and i

1251
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,960
wasn't particularly obviously my early

1252
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,880
40s at the time but i wasn't exactly

1253
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,760
young

1254
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,359
and i walked in the room and i brought

1255
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:36,960
down the average age

1256
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,119
of that group by like 25 years

1257
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,960
it was all older people and bless them

1258
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,319
you know they've been studying this

1259
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,839
going back to

1260
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:48,160
jay allen heineck and the whole thing

1261
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,200
but but but

1262
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,119
the point is is that something has

1263
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,200
changed in that time with all the new

1264
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,960
york times reports and

1265
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,480
the navy coming out with their

1266
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,359
disclosures and the nimitz situation

1267
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,520
and it seems like we're constantly

1268
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,119
hearing things like the latest

1269
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,240
american airlines report the ufo report

1270
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,680
and it used to be you remember it used

1271
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:09,760
to be the kicker story on the news you

1272
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,000
know

1273
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,680
you'd have the laughing anchor and they

1274
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,440
play the x-files music and

1275
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:15,520
up in albuquerque some people claim they

1276
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,270
saw a ufo

1277
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,200
[Laughter]

1278
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,200
well we'll talk to you again tomorrow at

1279
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,359
6am in the morning with bill and

1280
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,000
jonah you know um you know it was the

1281
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,359
kicker story it's the one that you know

1282
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:27,839
they

1283
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,359
down and everybody's chuckling

1284
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,000
it's not that anymore i think it's

1285
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,160
representative of something real

1286
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,920
either somebody in the government knows

1287
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,599
something and they're trying to drip it

1288
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:40,640
to us

1289
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,720
or something something is going on

1290
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,000
um what that is and i'm not one given

1291
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,920
really to conspiracy theories

1292
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:52,240
you know i think sometimes a cigar is

1293
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,119
just a cigar

1294
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,960
right uh you know if you look at

1295
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,640
something like the jfk assassination

1296
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:58,000
absolutely there was something weird

1297
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,119
going on with that

1298
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,280
but i don't believe that you know at

1299
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,720
every turn the

1300
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,359
i do not believe at every turn that the

1301
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,280
government is trying to

1302
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,040
you know infiltrate our lives i'm not a

1303
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,960
conspiracy theorist but i think in terms

1304
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,319
of ufos

1305
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,119
things have been hidden some of them may

1306
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,880
be rightfully so for reasons

1307
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,480
of national security but i think

1308
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,720
something has changed

1309
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,319
does it mean disclosure if he would have

1310
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,920
asked me three years ago

1311
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,200
could we see disclosure i'd say

1312
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,440
absolutely not not my lifetime

1313
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,760
now i'm not so sure right no i'm not so

1314
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,359
sure something's going on now

1315
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,680
jimmy i just asked questions i don't

1316
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:34,720
know the answers

1317
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,730
but uh something's going on

1318
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,440
[Laughter]

1319
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:42,960
i um i i had the

1320
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:46,400
i had uh abc news uh come over one day

1321
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:46,799
to

1322
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,240
interview me about eight years ago and

1323
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,559
and i said look i'm only gonna do this

1324
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:54,559
if you're gonna take this seriously oh

1325
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:54,880
no

1326
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:58,160
we're gonna take this area okay so i do

1327
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,359
the interview

1328
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,200
and and this goes out on abc

1329
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,920
across the country right sure because

1330
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,599
it's probably kabc

1331
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,400
right right right and it goes out and

1332
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,160
i'm i'm watching the clips

1333
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,839
from around the country and people are

1334
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:15,760
sending it to me sure enough man

1335
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,799
x-files music you know and i was just as

1336
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:19,599
i

1337
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:23,359
never

1338
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,960
going to do this again i only agreed

1339
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,559
right to do this if we're going to take

1340
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,799
this serious and

1341
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,839
and i i was so embarrassed

1342
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,319
by that you know and it was just like it

1343
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,599
was on cue

1344
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:40,559
x-files music yeah and uh but yeah it's

1345
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:40,960
it's

1346
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,119
have a funny story to tell about that if

1347
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,400
we got a second

1348
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,160
i've got uh three minutes before the

1349
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,839
break okay this will be quick

1350
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,920
i went out for a jury duty around

1351
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,839
probably the year of uh i don't know

1352
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,040
early 2000s

1353
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,200
i was working for radio station got put

1354
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:59,359
on a jury you know they do the thing

1355
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,720
ended up serving all of that five six

1356
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,240
years later when i was doing this

1357
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,960
full-time i'm called in they call me in

1358
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,960
and they ask me what you do for oblique

1359
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,960
occupation i explain i'm a podcaster and

1360
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:12,960
like what are your podcasts on i'm like

1361
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,680
well we cover ufos bigfoot ghosts you

1362
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,440
know that kind of stuff

1363
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,040
and you know a couple minutes go by they

1364
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,640
ask a couple more questions well

1365
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,160
juror number three thank you for your

1366
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,030
you brought up um uh i'll share this uh

1367
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:31,440
with you um you brought up going to

1368
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:32,240
school

1369
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,000
right uh for for tv journalism broadcast

1370
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,280
i did the same thing and here in la

1371
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,720
i don't know where you went to school

1372
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,559
but i went to csb

1373
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,839
and uh and so we had uh our

1374
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,960
our teachers were from from cnn

1375
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,799
you know local radio stations all that

1376
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:52,319
stuff and

1377
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,240
so we had this guy in um from cnn

1378
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:59,359
uh for a couple of weeks and and i said

1379
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,319
hey

1380
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,880
so what would happen and now this was

1381
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:03,920
2008

1382
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,319
if you brought your news director story

1383
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:12,480
about ufos

1384
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:15,280
uh uh i wouldn't take it to my news

1385
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,160
director no i

1386
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,359
but if you had a great story

1387
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:21,440
right and and you took it to your news

1388
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,960
director what would happen no i wouldn't

1389
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:23,920
do it

1390
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,960
oh that's a kiss of death man no ufos

1391
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,520
you just

1392
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,559
no you don't it's not covered

1393
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,280
and i sat back and i was i was i was i

1394
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,640
was taken aback

1395
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,640
but i was heartbroken because i knew

1396
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:38,720
what i wanted to do

1397
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,839
right i knew where i wanted to possibly

1398
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,960
take this

1399
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,040
and and i was thinking at the time jim i

1400
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,119
was going to do like sports

1401
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,920
and ufos and music and have it like all

1402
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:50,480
in one

1403
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show of course you know uh uh joe rogan

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00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,359
ended up doing that

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but but that doubt and he he proved that

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that could work

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but that was that was my way to like

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wiggle in

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00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,400
to ufos and or the supernatural which

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ultimately is what i did i got into

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sports first

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and then uh got my feet on the ground

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got established

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and then just took this thing uh with

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the left-hand turn

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00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:19,359
and went into ufos had i taken the

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advice

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of this guy from cnn who i'm not going

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to name

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um i would i would have never done it

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00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,880
and i don't know

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00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,240
how many people out there that would

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00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:30,000
like to get into broadcasting don't do

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it

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because of the way that this was always

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looked at in the past

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well when i told my friends that i

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00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,760
worked with it

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00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,280
you know hey i'm going to be doing this

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00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:41,680
full time they kind of like oh good luck

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00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,799
with that

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00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,920
uh but uh now it's like

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and i don't mean to be nasty about it

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00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,799
but no you can't be nasty it's good no i

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00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,079
don't want to be nasty they're nice

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00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:58,000
people it's just they didn't get it no

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they didn't

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and and now the traditional people

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traditional radio people i know a lot of

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01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,920
them are looking and

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and it's like i told you guys this is

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01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:09,280
the thing you know

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01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,640
i i love your story uh and

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01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,640
it's similar to mine that we had a

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01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,480
vision and we executed it and we didn't

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01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,160
need a huge company behind it

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01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:20,400
us we just did it and it and it worked

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01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,440
well and if you

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01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,839
think about it i mean larry king uh you

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01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:25,839
know carried that torch for a long time

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01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:29,280
on cnn but he was like the only guy and

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01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:33,119
to have tucker with his ratings and his

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position

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in the industry to suddenly start

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01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,200
covering

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uh this subject he doesn't care what

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01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:40,240
people think

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01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,680
he doesn't care because he is taking it

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01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,000
serious and there is something going on

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01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,799
but it makes me wonder as i uh go into

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the break

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um do you think that there was some

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instructions from on high

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01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,200
right you know from the top down that

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was like okay

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01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,559
we're going to cover this subject now

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01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,799
and you're going to cover it

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01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,200
i i think that it was maybe seated among

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some top layers and then once

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01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,799
people saw if the new york times is

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reporting it we can report

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it i think that's kind of thing that

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happened that's right let's take our

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break right here this

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is fade to black i am your host jimmy

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harold

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me how it's done

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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tonight on fade to black the

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uh i i want to take advantage of of the

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situation

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uh the opportunity here uh

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to get your opinion on a few things and

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uh one of them when we talk about uh

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01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:29,440
ghosts spirits um

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with all of your shows and interviews

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01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,599
what ultimately do you think uh people

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01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:37,119
are experiencing

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01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,520
is it is it energy or is it the dead

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you know what what do you think ghosts

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01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,079
and spirits are what are what are people

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seeing and communicating with well i

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won't give you the total cop-out answer

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uh a little bit of all of that um

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you know i i do think that there is such

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a thing as

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uh residual hauntings i firmly believe

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that

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01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,280
i mean we're both of sufficient vintage

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01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:05,839
to remember uh magnetic tape

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and if you didn't get a tape erased well

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you know you would play it back and you

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01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,079
would hear remnants of the old recording

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01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,239
and i think that uh i think that that's

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some of what people experience

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and i do believe in some cases

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that our loved ones try to to get in

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touch with us

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or other dead people i do think that's a

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thing

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01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:31,199
although that one's troublesome for me

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because i you know i'm

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not what anyone would consider a quote

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01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,239
good christian what many

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church-going folks would think but i am

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of the christian faith and that's kind

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of tough for me because

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you know you know if you read the bible

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pretty much it seems like you know

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you're either thumbs up or thumbs down

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whereas this you know the ghost thing i

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i mean i

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believe they're mentioned in the bible

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but it doesn't doesn't fit but i still

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believe they exist i believe they do it

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and one thing that does trouble me is

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the idea of trapped souls i really

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01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,440
struggle with that because

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if you believe in a higher power why

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would a higher power allow a soul to be

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01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,120
trapped i don't know the answer to that

1676
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,880
but that's one that i struggle with

1677
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,880
so i think you have those two things but

1678
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,319
i also think

1679
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:12,319
and we had a story on the campfire and

1680
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,520
dave schroeder

1681
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,920
our mutual friend

1682
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:17,440
[Music]

1683
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,719
told a story about a similar experience

1684
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,400
but i'll tell the one that we had on

1685
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:25,040
campfire and it makes me think sometimes

1686
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,480
that we could be seeing potentially in

1687
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,920
some cases

1688
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:32,159
something from the past or or like a

1689
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:33,440
time warp

1690
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,040
or an alternate universe we had a

1691
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:39,600
young man who was on the show probably

1692
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,319
in his 20s

1693
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,789
when he was a little boy and he was

1694
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:49,440
walking through the hallway of his house

1695
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,440
and he saw this hooded figure

1696
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,000
it terrified him the hooded figure

1697
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,880
figure looked to be making a sandwich

1698
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,199
that's kind of weird and he ran back in

1699
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:03,600
his room

1700
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,640
he told me another story the second

1701
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,880
story was

1702
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,760
in his teenage years he was in his

1703
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,040
kitchen

1704
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,960
making a sandwich wearing a hoodie

1705
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,679
and he saw this strange what looked to

1706
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:21,840
be a small boy

1707
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:25,360
in the hallway who he saw and then

1708
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:29,120
the little boy ran away so

1709
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:36,229
and and dave has a similar story about

1710
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,120
uh

1711
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,360
some people who saw a ghost i i can't

1712
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:41,840
remember but it's the same idea

1713
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:45,199
and the thing is is that i see i don't

1714
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:46,640
have answers but the one thing that i

1715
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,199
can tell

1716
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,280
tell you and i won't say what i would

1717
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:51,040
say off air because i stayed at

1718
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,320
broadcast standards

1719
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,880
but this blank is much stranger than we

1720
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,840
realize

1721
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,440
and you know i thought

1722
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:01,280
originally going back to in search of i

1723
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,040
thought easy answers

1724
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,920
ghosts are dead people uh bigfoot's uh

1725
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:06,640
animal

1726
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,080
uh ufos are aliens you know

1727
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,080
i the one thing i can say is i don't

1728
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,080
believe there are any easy answers

1729
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,199
and any all-encompassing answers a lot

1730
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,719
of times with this stuff i think the

1731
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:21,360
answer is all of the above

1732
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,360
the uh have you ever have you done a

1733
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,000
a ghost investigation have you i've gone

1734
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,199
out with a team

1735
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,679
and and checked out really i i've gone

1736
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:33,679
on a couple things at events and things

1737
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,560
but not really

1738
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,400
i kind of you know what my analogy is

1739
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,840
because we're both sports fans

1740
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,960
you can't folks you can't see i'm

1741
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:40,960
wearing a cleveland browns yes you are

1742
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:43,679
which i'm now proud to do uh for the

1743
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,640
long time for

1744
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,480
uh for the first time you guys had a

1745
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,320
rough go you guys had a rough yeah for

1746
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,840
about 30 years yeah you guys

1747
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,400
ever since bernie cozar but uh things

1748
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,840
are getting better but anyway we're both

1749
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,760
sports guys so you know the analogy

1750
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,719
that um that i'll make you remember

1751
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,880
howard cosell he wrote a book called i

1752
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,400
never played the game

1753
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,080
and basically he was talking about he

1754
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:05,760
was a sports caster

1755
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:08,880
he was not a sports man he was not an

1756
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:09,520
athlete

1757
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:13,120
journalists usually what happens these

1758
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,080
guys play

1759
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,480
and then afterwards you see them in

1760
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,600
really nice suits

1761
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,719
on sets talking about football but uh

1762
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:21,440
kosel

1763
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:24,560
and a smaller and smaller percentage of

1764
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:25,280
people

1765
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:28,640
were broadcasters who happen to cover

1766
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,360
sports

1767
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,520
that's kind of the way i view myself and

1768
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,520
i kind of like it that way i'll tell you

1769
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,960
why because i think it gives

1770
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:37,199
i don't think it's the way to popularity

1771
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,400
i think that i could be

1772
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,159
way more popular if i were wearing a

1773
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,000
black t-shirt and running around in

1774
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,840
buildings and doing nightcam and that

1775
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,280
kind of stuff

1776
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:48,560
but i for me i like it because it gives

1777
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,000
me a little distance from

1778
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,880
it you know i'm not i don't have that

1779
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,080
i'm not a participant

1780
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,640
i'm more of an observer um so just for

1781
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,920
me just for me

1782
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,719
uh not that i'm afraid of it or anything

1783
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:02,400
i mean i certainly i would like to

1784
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,760
actually do more of that just from

1785
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,120
almost uh

1786
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,280
observer point of view but in terms of

1787
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:09,040
actively becoming an investigator that's

1788
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,440
never

1789
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:12,480
me sure and

1790
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,000
i i i did a tv show

1791
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,360
a couple of months ago and we went down

1792
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,760
uh and did a ghost hunt on the queen

1793
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:22,560
mary right

1794
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,560
in long beach and uh we we had uh two or

1795
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,159
three paranormal teams you know it's a

1796
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:29,760
big boat right and there was

1797
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:33,040
yeah uh two or three camera crews and

1798
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,640
and so we were on one section of the

1799
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,719
boat we were in the winston churchill

1800
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:37,840
suite

1801
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,199
and and jim as as uh as i

1802
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:44,159
live and breathe i i didn't know what to

1803
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,800
expect

1804
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,239
right but i'm with these professionals

1805
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:48,080
i'm with tony rathman and his wife

1806
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,280
sheree and

1807
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,360
uh you know very professional in what

1808
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,719
they do but

1809
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,199
i'm just the guy i'm the new guy right

1810
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,120
and so i'm just along for the ride

1811
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,880
and we're all sitting in this suite and

1812
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,120
we've got uh to my right

1813
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,120
uh i'm gonna make this as quick as i can

1814
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,640
got the camera crew so we've got three

1815
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:05,600
cameras we've got

1816
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,159
audio boom mic sound guy and they're

1817
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,920
lined up over here to my right right

1818
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,280
next to me

1819
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,719
and then uh to my left is about

1820
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,120
10 other people uh you know part of the

1821
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,520
paranormal team sitting across from me

1822
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:22,239
is tony rathman and his wife uh they're

1823
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,440
sitting over here and we're in the

1824
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,679
okay so anyway there was this moment of

1825
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,440
silence in the room

1826
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,760
uh lights are off we got like candles

1827
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:30,880
burning

1828
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:34,080
and uh we've got a spirit box running

1829
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:37,679
in front of us right okay um

1830
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,120
so anyway in this moment of silence

1831
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:46,000
just comes out like from above me over

1832
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:46,640
here it's

1833
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:50,480
female and it goes

1834
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,709
and i look up and it's all on camera and

1835
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,480
i hear it and i looked and i looked

1836
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,320
right at tony rathman in front of me

1837
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,679
we all it was just this wasn't

1838
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,480
uh an evp recorded that you had to go

1839
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,000
and listen for this was no this was like

1840
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:13,440
in the room and i was like holy crap

1841
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,880
man you know the uh i'm the i'm the new

1842
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,760
guy

1843
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:19,600
never been on anything like this and i

1844
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:23,280
experienced that now i have to walk away

1845
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,719
with what is going on you know

1846
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,640
you see this stuff on tv shows and

1847
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:30,560
whatever you know you can blow

1848
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:33,679
all of that off you can and i do

1849
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,199
that was real i remember uh that night

1850
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,960
jim i'm walking

1851
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,320
after we're done i'm walking to the car

1852
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:41,760
and i immediately met him calling my

1853
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:42,320
wife

1854
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,350
i heard a voice

1855
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,159
[Laughter]

1856
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:48,159
and you know it could be the kind of

1857
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,520
thing that i could do and then i would

1858
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:51,040
get hooked on and i'd be like when's the

1859
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,480
next hunt i can't

1860
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,719
wait for the next time to be honest with

1861
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,280
you uh i want to go out and do it again

1862
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:00,159
and um and speaking see if that happened

1863
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:01,360
to you

1864
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,159
right where me being the skeptic you

1865
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,000
know i'm right on the fence let's let's

1866
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,840
enjoy this and let's say you know let's

1867
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,280
try to figure this out together

1868
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,440
then i have that experience which i know

1869
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,120
doesn't happen every day

1870
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,679
right if that happened to jim harold how

1871
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,760
do you walk away from that

1872
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,520
you know what what goes into your mind

1873
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:21,120
yeah that's a good point that's a good

1874
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,600
point

1875
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,880
well the thing is is that i think

1876
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,320
there's some really good people out

1877
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,159
there that are really sincere so i don't

1878
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,080
mean to knock paranormal investigators

1879
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:29,840
because i believe i mean again

1880
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:33,360
i am what i would call a skeptical

1881
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,000
believer

1882
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:36,239
in other words i definitely believe that

1883
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,280
some people

1884
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:39,280
see ghosts and definitely believe people

1885
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,400
see ufos

1886
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,800
that are not explicable by traditional

1887
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,840
means

1888
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,159
uh one of my favorite stories on ufos

1889
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,520
for example is

1890
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,760
uh my former uh now you mentioned larry

1891
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,640
king

1892
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,480
and what a talent i mean you talk we're

1893
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:54,560
both radio guys

1894
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,679
you talk about a legend uh you know

1895
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:00,320
albuquerque around the air you know just

1896
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,600
tremendous

1897
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,120
but one of the greatest clips that

1898
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,679
you'll find on youtube is with dr

1899
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,480
bob jacobs i don't know if you're

1900
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,159
familiar with this i know i know about

1901
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:12,480
the one with bill nye well the cool

1902
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,600
thing jimmy is

1903
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,199
you were talking about teachers for

1904
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:17,040
broadcasting

1905
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,520
in the early 90s

1906
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:24,719
and uh here in in cleveland

1907
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:28,960
jacobs or jacobs no not bill nye no no

1908
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:29,600
no

1909
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:35,280
his line he was a broadcasting and

1910
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,120
uh broadcasting professor communication

1911
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,120
he has a phd in it

1912
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,199
he told us that same story in the early

1913
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,000
1990s that he later told 10 or 15 years

1914
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,920
later on whenever it was on larry king

1915
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:47,360
the early 2000s

1916
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,280
so i know that that story didn't change

1917
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,280
a story like that and if you're not

1918
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:55,520
familiar look up larry king bob jacobs

1919
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,640
and if you're

1920
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,400
interested in ufos and you think there's

1921
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:00,960
something to it you'll love that because

1922
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,719
uh bill nye came at him and you know was

1923
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:06,000
just throwing out these general

1924
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,960
objections and

1925
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,199
uh dr jacobs let him have it it's a

1926
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:10,719
famous famous clip

1927
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:13,920
by the way but the thing is is that bob

1928
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,800
told the same story in 1991 i sat there

1929
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,480
and watched him tell the story

1930
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,960
and i remember he actually recorded it

1931
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:22,880
because we had a tv studio

1932
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,400
so he was in the studio and he had

1933
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,000
master control roll tape

1934
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,000
because i don't know what the reason was

1935
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,920
but he wanted a recorded version of it

1936
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,840
and he drew on a chalkboard and the

1937
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:34,000
thing where if you don't know folks uh

1938
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,880
what it is

1939
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:36,719
dr robert jacobs used to be in the

1940
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,719
military and in the early 60s he was

1941
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,520
in charge of filming some missile tests

1942
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,520
and he basically said that something

1943
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,120
shot the missile out of the sky

1944
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,920
and it was represented on film and he

1945
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,360
told the whole story on the larry king

1946
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:53,199
show and bill and i said well

1947
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,800
you know that could have been this it

1948
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,640
could have been that and blah blah and i

1949
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,040
think robert salas was on that who was

1950
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,440
the maelstrom uh air force base uh

1951
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,719
situation with the missiles going

1952
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,159
offline in the 60s and

1953
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,239
was it robert hastings i think as well

1954
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:07,679
robert was the uh

1955
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,280
the author of the book yeah yes so uh

1956
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,719
and the funny thing about that is i was

1957
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,239
interviewing him one time and i didn't

1958
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,080
realize he knew bob jacobs he started

1959
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:17,679
talking about his case i'm like

1960
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,910
wait i know who that is and i you know

1961
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,640
uh and he was a heck of a broadcasting

1962
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,000
uh professor too

1963
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,679
but uh anyway point being that i believe

1964
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,280
i mean i believe does that mean i

1965
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:35,679
believe every story do i think sometimes

1966
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,159
people

1967
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,640
might have overactive imaginations

1968
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,920
absolutely

1969
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,159
but i still think that there's something

1970
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,760
to all of these phenomena probably the

1971
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,520
one that i'm most skeptical about and i

1972
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,679
don't know about you jimmy is bigfoot

1973
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,199
i struggle with that it's kind of like

1974
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,960
the day of the week because

1975
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:53,520
on one hand it's like when have we found

1976
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,159
a body

1977
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,080
and i know what people say i know what

1978
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,760
they say they say that nature takes care

1979
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,920
of its own you don't find a deer carcass

1980
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:01,360
in the woods all the time i know all the

1981
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,159
explanations

1982
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:03,520
still seems like we would have found a

1983
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,400
body but let me play devil's advocate

1984
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:07,840
with myself here

1985
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,600
um what about this when you look at that

1986
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,320
patterson gimlin film from 1967 and you

1987
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,400
see it slowed down and stabilized

1988
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,320
it looks like there's muscle tone behind

1989
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:19,840
there that does not look

1990
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:23,280
like a suit it doesn't look like planet

1991
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,400
of the apes

1992
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,199
no so you you you pick a day and ask me

1993
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:28,159
and i'll tell you what i think of

1994
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,360
bigfoot and it'll probably be a

1995
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,880
different answer every day

1996
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:33,920
i have uh always been very

1997
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:36,639
skeptical uh when it comes to bigfoot

1998
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:37,679
what i have

1999
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:41,840
found uh it's not that my opinion has

2000
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:45,199
changed a whole lot because

2001
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:48,880
the the deer carcass uh explanation

2002
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,920
for a lot of people um doesn't mean that

2003
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:53,840
we haven't found deer carcasses because

2004
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:54,560
we have

2005
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,639
found bones in the woods of of

2006
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:01,679
everything

2007
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:05,120
um is it common no it is not um

2008
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,719
i still feel that the physical side of

2009
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,840
bigfoot

2010
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:12,000
is something that we can't escape from

2011
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,960
that that

2012
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,880
we haven't hit one with a car we hit

2013
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:16,960
bears all the time we hit deers all the

2014
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,520
time

2015
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,159
haven't run over a bigfoot yet now is

2016
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:22,239
that bigfoot is too smart to cross the

2017
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:22,719
street

2018
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,440
well that's possible humans are too but

2019
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,360
we hit humans all the time

2020
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,760
as well there's also the explanation and

2021
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:31,360
this one i have a harder time with

2022
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:33,040
you know a lot of people say it's an

2023
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:34,719
interdimensional that's where

2024
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,679
see but that's that's where i can

2025
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:39,040
resolve

2026
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:42,239
all of my own questions right you go

2027
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:44,639
into the interdimensional side of it

2028
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:47,920
and things get answered and i'm

2029
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,040
i'm almost okay with i'm more okay with

2030
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,199
the interdimensional bigfoot

2031
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:56,320
than i am the species that is avoiding

2032
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,040
humans

2033
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,800
walking around in the woods version of

2034
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:00,560
bigfoot that's a great point

2035
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,120
that's that that's that's my take and

2036
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:05,840
the other thing that i find strange

2037
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:09,040
is bigfoot sightings seem to be

2038
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:12,639
tied in with a lot including myself

2039
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:15,679
um with orbs with ufos

2040
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,480
stan gordon ufos and bigfoot yeah stan

2041
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:20,639
gordon is a great example of that

2042
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,320
and uh so i'm i'm not so sure

2043
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,600
i don't know i don't know we were um

2044
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,679
i i you're you're the guest i don't want

2045
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,800
to make this about me but

2046
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,520
no no no no let me introduce another

2047
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:34,880
version of this

2048
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,239
um we're up having a conference a

2049
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:40,800
fade to black conference and we've got a

2050
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,239
couple hundred people

2051
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,199
uh this is up in washington and i see

2052
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,719
this orb in this field

2053
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,800
and everybody saw it there was like 75

2054
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:49,920
of us out there and i

2055
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,719
i see it and i'm confused like 50 feet

2056
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,719
40 feet tall it's two-dimensional

2057
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:57,360
it's flat it's gray it's about 100 yards

2058
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:57,760
away

2059
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,120
i'm like wow okay my first orb

2060
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,280
wow that's pretty cool and everybody's

2061
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,800
talking about it

2062
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:07,199
right and i was like wow okay this is

2063
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,080
real

2064
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:11,520
okay all right later that

2065
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:15,440
night rita and i leave to our hotel

2066
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,120
we come back in the morning and a very

2067
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:21,840
famous actor's son peter o'toole's son

2068
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,159
is there oh cool and and parents of

2069
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:26,400
arabia yes yes yes yes yes and he comes

2070
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:26,800
up

2071
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,639
and he goes after you guys left last

2072
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,920
night big foot

2073
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,679
right after you guys left came right up

2074
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,400
to me and went

2075
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,080
and he's telling you know when he's

2076
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,080
telling uh

2077
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,800
uh lorcan o'toole uh he's great i had

2078
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,320
him on coast to coast and fade to black

2079
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:44,080
after that to tell the story

2080
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:47,440
but the coincidence right the the odds

2081
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,320
of this happening

2082
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:50,719
in the same spot was pretty

2083
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:51,679
extraordinary

2084
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:55,280
and i i don't know um a year later in

2085
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,400
that spot

2086
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,440
we found footprints that were cool yeah

2087
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:01,040
that's cool

2088
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,800
but i don't know what to do with it it

2089
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:04,080
doesn't mean i'm pushing

2090
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:08,880
over the fence um have you seen a ufo

2091
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:11,120
no i i wouldn't call ufo the only thing

2092
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:12,960
i ever saw and i'm sure this was space

2093
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:14,840
junk or something i remember

2094
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:18,080
uh this had to be gosh it was before my

2095
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:18,880
first daughter was

2096
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:22,320
said to be late 90s and my wife and i

2097
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,600
were

2098
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:26,400
you know driving like on a main road a

2099
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,280
busy road

2100
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,120
where they're like shopping malls or

2101
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,960
these strip malls and stuff

2102
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,960
and it was about like 5 45 in the

2103
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,600
evening here

2104
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
[Music]

2105
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,639
and like you a big fan of talk radio

2106
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,080
where we listen to the local

2107
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:41,840
talk radio guy and uh

2108
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:43,280
we looked up in the sky and there was

2109
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,239
this green fireball

2110
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,480
and i'm like look at that that's a green

2111
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:50,080
fireball

2112
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,400
and then i heard somebody call

2113
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,280
into the radio station and say so and so

2114
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,600
i'm on so-and-so road and i see a green

2115
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,600
fireball

2116
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,760
and the host like ah you've been smoking

2117
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:05,280
something and that's the last i ever

2118
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,920
heard of it

2119
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:08,080
but i i don't think that that's anything

2120
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,199
uh

2121
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,719
what's the word i'm looking for i don't

2122
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:12,880
i i think sometimes like i said a cigar

2123
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:14,239
it's just a cigar with some kind of

2124
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,679
meteorite or

2125
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,080
space junk or something like that but it

2126
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,840
just shows you how quickly something

2127
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:22,080
a hundred percent legitimate was just

2128
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,040
blown away

2129
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:24,800
just like yeah there's nothing to that

2130
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:27,280
and when we have uh

2131
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,719
uh because this is what you cover

2132
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,960
how do you resolve in your own mind not

2133
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,960
only with bigfoot and i want to actually

2134
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,159
get back to bigfoot

2135
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,960
but where you have millions of people

2136
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,560
around the world

2137
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,199
uh not talking about fireballs but

2138
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:44,560
physical craft or

2139
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:48,080
abductions and they're they're st

2140
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:51,040
are we dealing with millions of people

2141
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:52,400
with mental disorders

2142
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,639
or is there something actually going on

2143
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,679
well i definitely think there's

2144
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,360
something going on now that doesn't mean

2145
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:00,960
that maybe some cases are

2146
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,440
incorrect or imagination or you know

2147
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:05,360
sometimes you do have people with issues

2148
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,080
where

2149
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,400
maybe they're conjuring things up in

2150
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,840
their mind through no fault of their own

2151
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,520
so i think that's part of the picture

2152
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,199
but i definitely think there's something

2153
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:17,280
going on um i think of the case of um

2154
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:20,639
president obama's pilot who flew around

2155
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,440
the country

2156
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,960
and then i think in his first election

2157
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:24,639
now you bet

2158
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:28,080
the uh the um

2159
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,360
the pilot for the nominee of either

2160
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,320
major american political party the pilot

2161
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:36,960
the main pilot is going to get uh

2162
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,840
vetted throughout the yin yang before he

2163
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:41,360
can fly around the

2164
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:44,639
potentially future president and he told

2165
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:44,960
this

2166
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:47,600
really compelling story of when he was a

2167
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,560
younger pilot

2168
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,239
and i think he was like i don't know if

2169
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:52,800
he was first officer or something

2170
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,920
on a crew and they definitely saw like

2171
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,320
something that was not man-made

2172
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:01,520
and i think of reports like that and

2173
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:04,080
i know it really gets tough i heard my

2174
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:04,560
buddy

2175
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,760
on your sounder earlier micah hanks

2176
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:09,840
and we did a show called the paranormal

2177
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,159
report which is a video podcast

2178
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,080
uh for a couple of years but um i

2179
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,440
stopped doing that because

2180
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:17,440
the footage and stuff out there is so

2181
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:18,639
crappy it's like

2182
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,440
drones and faked and stuff like that so

2183
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,520
you really can't get good footage

2184
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,840
but that doesn't mean something is

2185
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,520
really go isn't going on

2186
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,920
something is going on and i think we're

2187
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:30,800
seeing it just

2188
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,679
the american airlines case uh where they

2189
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:35,840
said they saw something flying over it

2190
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,239
and

2191
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,800
american airlines did not deny it now

2192
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,600
again that

2193
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:41,199
and i think another piece we always have

2194
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,199
to remember and you may have interviewed

2195
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,480
her in the past i know

2196
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,960
i have annie jacobson who did a great

2197
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:48,960
book on area 51 she's fantastic again

2198
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:49,600
she's a

2199
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:53,199
angeles times the whole bit

2200
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:56,880
pulitzer nominated yeah fantastic yes

2201
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,840
but you know there is something going on

2202
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:02,080
there is something going on

2203
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,760
i believe i believe there's probably

2204
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,440
aliens in the government or certain

2205
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,360
people in the government know about it

2206
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:11,440
that's why i mean to me the roswell case

2207
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:13,600
the smoking gun in the roswell cases

2208
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,480
when when they they have the headline

2209
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:18,400
from whatever it was the daily record or

2210
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,880
whatever

2211
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,639
the roswell paper was you know flying

2212
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:22,239
disc or whatever that that famous

2213
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:23,280
headline was

2214
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:24,880
or something like the battle of los

2215
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:27,040
angeles in 1942

2216
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:28,960
which i'm sure you know a lot about

2217
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:30,639
being from that area

2218
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:34,239
uh where basically they thought the

2219
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:37,120
japanese were attacking the west coast

2220
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:38,639
and it was something but they never

2221
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:42,159
figured out what it was shot 1200 rounds

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01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:45,280
of any aircraft shells at that thing all

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01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,400
night long and

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01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:48,960
and didn't bring it down while it was

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illuminated

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01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:52,480
that case still perplexes me it really

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does

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01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:55,280
and in the country was on edge because

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we were in a

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life and death struggle right people

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01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:10,229
um

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01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,840
you know i have tea with the martians

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01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:16,000
every third thursday of the month and we

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crochet together

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01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,800
does that mean i necessarily believe

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01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:21,280
that no but there's definitely something

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01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:22,320
going on

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01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,600
if the ufo community um and by the way

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01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:26,880
micah hanks

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has completely flipped uh flip-flopped

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you know eight years ago seven years ago

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01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:34,320
six years ago

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01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,400
he was a skeptic on ufos

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01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:40,320
and and he'll admit that he's with him

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01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:41,679
about it in his present

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01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,840
today it's he he is fully on board

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01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:48,000
you know but going back to the patterson

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01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,360
gimlin bigfoot

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01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:52,480
film if the ufo community had that piece

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of footage

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01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,120
it would be ufo's case closed that's how

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01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,199
good the patterson gimlin film is

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01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,480
and that's how much of a paradox i am

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01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:04,960
right that's right i feel the same way i

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feel like i've like got multiple

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01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,199
personalities here with like well no it

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01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:10,800
is yes it is no it's got like the devil

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01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,520
and the angel

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01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,440
but you know go back and forth i have

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01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:15,199
these people ask me what do i think i'm

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01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:15,520
like

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01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,800
i don't know you know it depends on

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01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,400
which side it falls on and what day it

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01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,800
falls on but something you said about

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01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,880
um oh i'll tell you the case i don't

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01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,239
think it's nearly enough

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01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:29,040
attention and credit and god i wish that

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01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,239
it would have happened

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in the era of modern smartphones phoenix

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lights

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yes mass

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mass sighting and the governor five

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simington

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who comes out and poopoos it later says

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yeah

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01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:48,800
what happened my son and i watched it

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yeah i i'll tell you the crazy thing as

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01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:52,400
we go to

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01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,000
the crazy thing about that is

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01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:59,199
uh as we go to break i was in phoenix

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that night

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and i was at a record release party at

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the hard rock out on the patio

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with uh a band and and some friends

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and i get back to la

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i walk into my apartment drop my bags i

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just get off the flight

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and i turn on the tv and

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and i'm just getting my head together

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01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:25,440
it's the news uh ufo sighted last night

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01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,480
in phoenix

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01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,239
and i'm watching them i'm like wait a

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01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:30,480
minute what what what

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01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,040
we me i was right there i missed it

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i was right there i was in phoenix

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missed it

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01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,159
still regret it to this day

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this is fade to black i am your host

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our guest tonight jim harold moore with

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get it now our guest tonight jim harold

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now

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stole from you over the years

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and uh i admit uh we were talking

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earlier but i i steal everything i admit

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it

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and and that's fine but um uh

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01:37:02,790 --> 01:36:59,199
campfire stories and um

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01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:02,800
i always think about

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the the creepy uncle that we couldn't

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control

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that would scare the crap out of us

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right we're camping

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and it was a rite of passage

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01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,000
uh for all of us on a camping trip you

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01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:17,520
know to sit around the campfire roast

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01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,639
some marshmallows

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01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,600
tell the creepy stories with uh wolves

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howling in the background

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01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:24,719
and and all of that you've got to go to

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your tent and get in your sleeping bag

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freaked out

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01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:32,159
those were the rules right um and

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01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:35,600
and you have got that dialed

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01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,040
do you do you get invited right

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01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:41,119
are you the guy are you the campfire guy

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01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,239
now do you

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01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,320
do you have to tell the story and do you

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01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:46,560
have to deliver

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01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,159
well i definitely you know when we have

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01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,159
parties and things before you know we

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01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:52,080
were in a worldwide pandemic i would

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01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:52,719
always

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01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:56,000
you know tell one or two stories and uh

2413
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:57,440
someone would mention oh you do that and

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01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,639
then i said well let me tell you a story

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01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:59,760
and then tell them and then everybody

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01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:01,440
started to tell their stories which is

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01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:02,080
great right

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01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,590
is that you know you could go to the

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01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:11,520
almost the most hardcore skeptic and

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01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,639
they would say something like this i'd

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01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,480
say hey i do this show campfire we do

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01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,920
ghost stories and weird things that

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01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,000
happen to people is

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01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,040
that stuff come on now

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01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,760
there was this one time and then they'll

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01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:29,430
everybody has a story right and i think

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01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,119
it just speaks to

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01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,320
the fact that this stuff is real and

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01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,719
you know what happened was i've been

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01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,560
doing a paranormal podcast i had a week

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01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:40,000
i didn't have a guest and i'm like well

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01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:40,960
let's just do

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01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,280
listener ghost stories i did it and

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01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,199
people loved it and it's like well

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01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:47,679
i'm not the brightest bulb i'm not the

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01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:49,520
sharpest knife in the drawer

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01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:52,480
whatever people like this and then i

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01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,239
just started it and it's actually my

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01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:56,159
most popular show jim harold's campfire

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01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,119
which is

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01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:59,040
ghost stories and spook not just ghost

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01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,320
stories though uh

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01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:02,480
ufo stories cryptid stories head

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01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,239
scratchers my favorite

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01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,239
and uh that's that's what i do and i

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01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:08,239
love it because you know so many people

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01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,320
and i didn't think this was gonna happen

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01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,080
but so many people say oh thank you for

2449
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,920
providing a forum where i can tell these

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01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,199
and i won't be made fun of because i

2451
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:17,040
don't make jokes at people's expense i

2452
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:18,320
don't like ah that couldn't have

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01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,440
happened

2454
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:21,040
i don't have the laugh track going you

2455
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:22,480
know the sounders

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01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:25,440
uh you know i just assume that when

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01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,719
somebody comes on my show

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01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:28,719
they had an experience and they are

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01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:31,840
giving me a true representation of what

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01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:32,480
they had

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01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,600
uh happen and we listen non-judgmentally

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01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:37,520
and let people share and and folks seem

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01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:38,239
to

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01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,360
well i uh i went through a period

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01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:48,239
and uh my wife had to go through this

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01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:49,280
with me

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01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:53,600
where i was listening to your podcast

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01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:56,960
going to sleep and i would

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01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:00,400
i it was my way of assuring

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01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:03,440
some fantastic dreams and i i

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01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:06,800
i went through that uh for for a while

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01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,000
and that you led me into uh

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01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,840
creepypasta i think that's what it's

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01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:13,520
called yeah right

2475
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,199
and and and so it would be a mix

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01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:20,880
of that stuff going into uh the dream

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01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,080
state and it's fantastic for that do you

2478
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,560
get comments about that all right people

2479
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,400
say they go to sleep listening and then

2480
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,920
sometimes i'm like well is that good or

2481
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:31,199
is that i'm telling you

2482
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,719
i i went through this period

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01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:36,400
uh just don't fall asleep before the

2484
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:40,080
commercials uh no but uh

2485
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,119
but but no uh yeah

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01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,679
people like and it's odd people say it

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01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,119
calms them

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01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,880
which you would think now some people

2489
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:50,320
say i'll never listen to that nighttime

2490
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,360
but get some people

2491
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:54,480
this calms me and it's like what you

2492
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:54,880
know

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01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,600
people say i had one guy on who said

2494
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:00,000
that he saw a spider

2495
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:03,040
i don't know if it was with eyeballs or

2496
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,880
i mean eyeballs in its legs or

2497
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,800
baby hands or something really like

2498
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,159
really disgusting

2499
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,560
and i'm like that can't possibly that

2500
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,239
can't possibly make you want to go to

2501
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,880
sleep it's like

2502
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,800
but the thing is i'm a little bit immune

2503
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,080
i to say

2504
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:21,040
a lot of stories don't really like blow

2505
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,560
me away i mean there's

2506
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,719
and i even love that everybody thinks

2507
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:26,480
scary stuff i love the touching stories

2508
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,800
where

2509
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,639
grandpa got a message in a special way i

2510
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,000
love that stuff

2511
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:32,480
but occasionally i think i've heard it

2512
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,159
all i've heard hundreds and hundreds

2513
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:35,920
probably thousands of stories at this

2514
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,800
point

2515
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,560
and but then somebody will come through

2516
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:40,000
something i've never heard before and i

2517
01:41:43,030 --> 01:41:40,400
was like

2518
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:43,040
whoa you got my attention and it it

2519
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,320
happens all the time

2520
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,600
now when uh you you you must

2521
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,920
get challenged all the time you know

2522
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,119
okay bri

2523
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:54,000
what's your best and you know what's

2524
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:54,880
what's the one

2525
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,080
and and and please please uncle jim tell

2526
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,320
us the scariest story you've got

2527
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:03,760
um but when you think about

2528
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,280
uh these these stories in the past

2529
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,600
is there one though is there one that

2530
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:11,760
you just always think about

2531
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,920
is there one that comes to mind yes

2532
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:17,679
there's one we actually did a youtube

2533
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,840
video on it recently

2534
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:22,080
and uh it's a fantastic story it's

2535
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:23,600
called the roadhouse saloon it's

2536
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,199
basically

2537
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,520
an episode of the twilight zone and i

2538
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,040
can i'd be glad to share it

2539
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,159
i would love a yes so this happened to

2540
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,440
our caller t.i

2541
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,159
she uh was uh she's from wisconsin but

2542
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,760
she was visiting i think up in

2543
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,360
or she's from michigan but she was

2544
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:41,119
visiting in wisconsin she was visiting a

2545
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:42,719
friend

2546
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,159
and they were at this bar and uh

2547
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,960
they were watching this band and they

2548
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:51,040
closed the place down it was in a rural

2549
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:52,639
area

2550
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:55,119
and uh her and her friend were both

2551
01:42:58,229 --> 01:42:56,239
musicians so

2552
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,239
afterwards they stopped and they talked

2553
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,760
to the band and

2554
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,119
and they left probably i don't know

2555
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,880
about 2 30 in the morning so you know

2556
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:04,080
everything's closed

2557
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,600
and they're about an hour from where

2558
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:07,840
they're going uh to this camp

2559
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:10,880
uh campsite or this camp and it's all

2560
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,440
rural

2561
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,040
everything's closed everything's dark

2562
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:14,880
and about halfway there t.i

2563
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,480
says to uh her friend bob says uh you

2564
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:21,280
know i i kind of gotta go i gotta go to

2565
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,560
the bathroom

2566
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,400
and he said well you've got two troy you

2567
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,000
know you've got one choice

2568
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:28,320
there's the side of the road here and

2569
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:30,480
she said no just drive fast

2570
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,000
so anyway maybe a few more minutes go by

2571
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:36,880
and they see a light up ahead and it's

2572
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:38,560
very foggy

2573
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:42,000
and they realize it's a bar and it's

2574
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,480
open which is odd after hours

2575
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,880
place the joint is jumping there's neon

2576
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:50,800
signs there's cars

2577
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,239
they're like hey let's not look a gift

2578
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,000
horse in the mouth let's go in

2579
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,400
so she goes and does what needs to be

2580
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:58,400
done and bob gets a couple of beers from

2581
01:44:04,229 --> 01:43:58,960
the

2582
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,239
he's really happy

2583
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,480
really happy that they came there

2584
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:08,480
because there's a famous mural

2585
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:13,199
on the wall that's an old west mural

2586
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,320
and um it depicts like

2587
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,639
just like uh in westerns you know you've

2588
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,239
got the swinging doors

2589
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:22,960
uh you've got the bartender you've got

2590
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:23,280
the

2591
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,080
and all of that stuff

2592
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:34,400
it's all depicted in a huge kind of

2593
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:36,320
thing it's kind of weird looking

2594
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:39,520
but it's it's there and ti said you know

2595
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:41,360
the this place was weird the people were

2596
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,199
kind of weird they were kind of smiling

2597
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:45,119
but they weren't really talking to them

2598
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,840
just

2599
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,440
kind of looking at them you can't see

2600
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:49,440
video wise what i'm doing here but just

2601
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:50,320
kind of a blank

2602
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:53,119
expression on their face that was very

2603
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:53,840
weird

2604
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,360
some guy walks up to her asks her to

2605
01:45:03,590 --> 01:44:59,280
dance

2606
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:03,600
he went they had an old woolette

2607
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,430
you put on chubby checkers let's twist

2608
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:15,360
again

2609
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:19,440
and he came to ti and asked her to dance

2610
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:22,639
and sure enough she said no

2611
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:25,440
uh and he smiled and have rotten teeth

2612
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:25,840
uh

2613
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,040
i said and she held up she walks with a

2614
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,119
cane so she held her cane up and said no

2615
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,800
i'm sorry i don't do much dancing she

2616
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:34,320
said she was really thankful she had

2617
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,119
that

2618
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:38,239
kind of weird

2619
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:41,600
so they sta bob and her star and

2620
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:42,960
they're looking around there's a big

2621
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:46,000
burly good looking bartender

2622
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:48,239
and there's a couple of cowboys over

2623
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:51,280
here a couple chorus girls over there

2624
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,480
and they started looking at painting and

2625
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:54,639
they noticed the people in the painting

2626
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:59,440
are the same people that are in the bar

2627
01:46:03,189 --> 01:46:00,960
and they think well that's weird but

2628
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:03,199
they said you know what this artist came

2629
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,719
here these are regulars

2630
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,800
he just painted them as like an homage

2631
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,159
to them

2632
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:10,800
okay so they talk a little more and it

2633
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:11,440
just

2634
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:15,119
got a weird vibe and chubby checkers

2635
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,840
playing

2636
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,440
and they look over at these swinging

2637
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,760
doors the old doors where you know

2638
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:22,080
bart would come in and say i want to see

2639
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,760
so and so you know so they have a

2640
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:25,199
showdown

2641
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,719
for those of you old enough to remember

2642
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,560
the saloon swinging door

2643
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:31,679
exactly right that's right so anyway

2644
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:32,960
they noticed something they didn't

2645
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:35,440
notice originally there was like

2646
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:37,920
there was some mist like two columns of

2647
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:39,760
mist

2648
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:43,040
their doors i thought that was weird

2649
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,320
so they talked a little more about

2650
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,600
whatever nap and looked back and

2651
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:49,280
and those two columns were still there

2652
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:52,480
but they were a little more defined

2653
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,920
it's like that's weird it's kind of like

2654
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:55,760
a polaroid if you remember polaroid

2655
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:56,480
pictures

2656
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:59,440
it's kind of developing almost they look

2657
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:00,320
back and there's one

2658
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:03,760
taller figure and one shorter figure

2659
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,199
that's strange it becomes apparent

2660
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:09,119
shortly that there's a man and there's a

2661
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:15,830
um the woman is significantly shorter

2662
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:18,239
than the man

2663
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:21,600
the woman has curly hair and boots t.i

2664
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,159
realizes

2665
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:24,080
oh bob's a lot taller than me and i'm

2666
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,280
shorter than him and

2667
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:27,840
i have curly hair and boots and then

2668
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:29,840
they notice

2669
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,239
that the figure in the painting the

2670
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:34,480
shorter figure the woman

2671
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:37,600
she has a cane

2672
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,040
it turns out that bob and t.i are

2673
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:42,719
developing

2674
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:49,830
at that point they look at each other

2675
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:52,239
and say let's get out of here

2676
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:56,000
they get out they close the door

2677
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:00,239
once they close the door the whole place

2678
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:03,280
is like it's been closed up

2679
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,320
all night no neon lights

2680
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,360
no sound no music and i should have said

2681
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:11,440
when they go getting to they're getting

2682
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,119
ready to leave all the people are like

2683
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,800
beckoning them back and motioning come

2684
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,950
so anyway the story's not over yet

2685
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:20,320
though the story's not over yet it gets

2686
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:21,679
better

2687
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:24,800
so anyway they

2688
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:27,119
they realize that the place is just like

2689
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,920
it was closed

2690
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:29,040
like it should have been that time in

2691
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:32,880
the morning they turn around they look

2692
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:35,280
and before i use the plural i said there

2693
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:36,239
were cars

2694
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,560
in the parking lot multiple cars there

2695
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:39,840
was a single

2696
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:44,159
car in the parking lot it was their car

2697
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,280
so then they drive home next day

2698
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:49,360
i think this was like a summer camping

2699
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:51,040
thing or something that they were going

2700
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:52,000
back to and

2701
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,159
and t.i was talking to her sisters and

2702
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:55,520
friends and family and so forth and

2703
01:49:00,070 --> 01:48:56,719
telling him they're like ah

2704
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:00,080
come on it's just you know whatever but

2705
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,440
t.i is the kind of person

2706
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,199
and i've met her in person now because

2707
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:05,119
we did a youtube

2708
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:08,639
uh video i actually shot it

2709
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:10,719
would have been like 2019 now before the

2710
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:11,840
pandemic

2711
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,480
fall of went up to see her in michigan

2712
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:19,440
anyway uh she's a you know she's pretty

2713
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,159
spunky

2714
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:22,400
a great storyteller by the way great

2715
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:23,520
storyteller

2716
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,679
and uh she said i'm gonna go back

2717
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,560
so she took her sister i think it was

2718
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,000
and they went back now she

2719
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:34,000
she didn't go two o'clock in the morning

2720
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:35,280
or three o'clock in the morning she went

2721
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:35,679
like

2722
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,960
seven or eight or something she um goes

2723
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:39,840
in

2724
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,159
it's open mural's there

2725
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,880
she starts talking to the young lady

2726
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,239
behind the bar

2727
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,000
so i was here the other night blah blah

2728
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:51,840
blah she said where's that good looking

2729
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,040
strong looking bartender who was in here

2730
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:58,320
and the woman goes well i i don't know

2731
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:59,840
who you're talking about the only two

2732
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:01,199
people that bartend here

2733
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,880
me and my uh and my elderly father

2734
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,639
and then she said oh that's kind of

2735
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:10,800
weird maybe i my friend she said well

2736
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,360
let me check out this jukebox over here

2737
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:16,400
sure enough there's a jukebox play

2738
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:19,840
cds right no chubby checker

2739
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:23,040
nowhere to be found

2740
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:26,159
and with that t.i left

2741
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:27,679
the road house alone she says she's

2742
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:30,560
never been back since

2743
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:37,750
that not only do i believe that

2744
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,280
it happened exactly how she has

2745
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:42,800
presented it

2746
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:47,679
i feel that there are moments

2747
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:51,199
where we go through

2748
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:54,800
some type of uh time loop there whether

2749
01:50:59,669 --> 01:50:58,000
you are physically uh i've had a couple

2750
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,679
of things happen in my life that i can't

2751
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:01,679
really explain

2752
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:05,280
and and i've heard other stories

2753
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,320
like this where they don't repeat

2754
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:10,960
it's like an accident when it happens

2755
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,440
well i

2756
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:13,520
i i have a short one that kind of plays

2757
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,560
into this

2758
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:17,199
i had a uh and this is in and i just

2759
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,639
heard from him several months ago he's

2760
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,159
doing well now thank goodness

2761
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:22,400
but this goes back like 10 years he came

2762
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,360
on in very early

2763
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:26,320
years of the show and this gentleman

2764
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,520
marco was his name

2765
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:30,080
and he was having cancer treatment and

2766
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:31,760
one of the things that he would do to

2767
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:33,040
help him get through this

2768
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,719
period because he loved movies as he and

2769
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,199
his wife would go through the movies

2770
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,480
so basically they went in

2771
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,239
bought their ticket and they went to see

2772
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,239
the movie and some people remember this

2773
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:46,320
hellboy

2774
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,920
and they looked at the time it was

2775
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:49,199
supposed to be and they were a few

2776
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,199
minutes early

2777
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:54,239
and they walk in the theater

2778
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,920
and they sit down the movie's playing

2779
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:58,159
it's like well that's weird we're early

2780
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,760
and they realize it's the end of the

2781
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,679
movie and it was only playing you know

2782
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:03,199
how a multiplex will have multiple

2783
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,800
screens playing the same movie this is

2784
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:06,480
just playing on the one theater the one

2785
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:10,870
and i don't remember the exact time

2786
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:12,080
let's say it was supposed to start at

2787
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:14,560
like 1205 or something

2788
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:19,040
so anyway uh they go in

2789
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,560
and the movie ends like within 10

2790
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,119
minutes of them being there

2791
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,400
and uh they

2792
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:28,960
he gets up and they're going out and

2793
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,679
there's usher there and it's like

2794
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:33,760
what movie was this we came to the 1205

2795
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:35,679
movie and they're like this is the 1205

2796
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:36,960
movie

2797
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,040
and the guy says he loves watches and he

2798
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:42,000
looked down and it was like two o'clock

2799
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:43,280
now i don't know if that i can't

2800
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:44,719
remember the exact times but that was

2801
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,280
the principle

2802
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,920
right right so i believe that hey like i

2803
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,719
said

2804
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,800
and i i the one thing i do feel really

2805
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:52,800
good about and i think you should too

2806
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,280
is i think someday people are going to

2807
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,199
look back at people like us

2808
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:59,280
and say you know what they were right i

2809
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,320
know probably

2810
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:03,119
we'll know we'll be long dead but they

2811
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:04,159
will say

2812
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:07,360
jim and jimmy and art bell and and i'm

2813
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,560
not comparing me to

2814
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:10,239
but i'm just saying people who believe

2815
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,520
that there was something going on

2816
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:12,880
they're gonna go back and say you know

2817
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:13,520
what

2818
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,199
people thought these guys were loony but

2819
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:17,280
they were on and and women as well of

2820
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:18,400
course

2821
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,920
they were onto something they recognized

2822
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,440
that there was something weird going on

2823
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:25,520
they didn't know what it was

2824
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:28,239
but they recognized it they saw that

2825
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:29,840
something strange was going on

2826
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:33,040
now of course we know it is xyz you know

2827
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:34,800
that could be 300 years from now

2828
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:37,840
now uh we uh

2829
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:40,960
years ago this is a long time ago

2830
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:44,400
i had a caller um that

2831
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:47,440
uh called in one night and

2832
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:51,840
shared this story that

2833
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:55,679
road trip family station wagon

2834
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:58,960
70s and i believe they were driving

2835
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:02,560
across texas they were in the southwest

2836
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,159
and they pulled over to

2837
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:08,560
a rest area with picnic tables and

2838
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:09,199
they're gonna

2839
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,639
the family gets

2840
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:14,560
out of you know it's brothers and

2841
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:15,679
sisters and

2842
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:18,400
mom and dad and what what have you and

2843
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:21,040
they are setting up the picnic table

2844
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:24,800
and the caller the daughter she walks

2845
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:27,840
down away from the picnic area

2846
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:31,520
and comes up to this river

2847
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:35,280
and there is a a a

2848
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,119
a sign a stand monument thing

2849
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:42,320
and it says the at this

2850
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:45,840
spot is where the wagon trains

2851
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:49,440
would stop and gather on their way

2852
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,119
to the west right and she says she

2853
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,360
reads this and looks across the

2854
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:56,719
riverbank

2855
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:00,080
and sees the wagon train

2856
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:02,880
and she sees a campfire she sees smoke

2857
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:03,520
she sees

2858
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:07,760
kids running around

2859
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:10,639
uh they're cooking and she says to

2860
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:11,440
herself what

2861
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:15,119
what an amazing reenactment it looks

2862
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,159
these are great actors this is amazing

2863
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:21,199
and she takes it all in and turns around

2864
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,800
and runs back to her family

2865
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:24,560
you've got to check this out this

2866
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:27,599
reenactment's going on across the river

2867
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,119
and the wagon train right

2868
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:33,520
it brings the family down it comes up to

2869
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,400
the spot

2870
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,520
and it's gone yeah i i had the same

2871
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,840
very similar story maybe two three

2872
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:40,960
months ago

2873
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:42,960
uh and i think this was in the suburbs

2874
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,199
of atlanta if i remember right

2875
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,840
wagon trains no not a wagon not a wagon

2876
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:49,520
train but similar principles similar

2877
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,159
principle

2878
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,760
sure uh woman was well she was a kid at

2879
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:55,440
the time like 12 years old and

2880
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,800
she's with a group of friends they go

2881
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:58,719
back in the woods behind their houses

2882
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,679
and stuff

2883
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,280
and they see this field in this clearing

2884
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:03,199
in this really fancy house and

2885
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:05,040
they didn't know it was there and they

2886
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:07,520
see like this mother and little boy like

2887
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:10,960
uh dressed in like previous

2888
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:13,599
turn of the century clothes like 1900

2889
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:15,040
kind of close

2890
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:18,320
and like the boy is like looking at them

2891
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:18,719
like

2892
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:22,960
understand what he's seeing

2893
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,719
and then the mother comes who's dressed

2894
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:26,000
like in 1900

2895
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,320
clothes and pulls them in and it's a

2896
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,920
fancy house

2897
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:32,239
so anyway they thought well that was

2898
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:33,199
weird

2899
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:36,159
and then a few days later they go and

2900
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,000
they look

2901
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:40,719
and guess what's there an old door stoop

2902
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:43,599
and that's it

2903
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:46,719
i mean this stuff happens i it's i

2904
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,800
i don't know what if it's a time slip

2905
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:52,880
um and and just like you were saying

2906
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:54,639
years from now right they're gonna look

2907
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,040
back

2908
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:57,440
and everything that we're talking about

2909
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:00,560
is probably going to have an explanation

2910
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:04,400
physics mandela effect parallel worlds

2911
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:07,360
interacting dimensions colliding with

2912
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:08,400
each other

2913
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:10,880
where we're getting a glimpse of

2914
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:12,400
something else

2915
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:14,800
you know and you brought up uh magnetic

2916
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:16,239
tape

2917
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:19,840
i i think that you've heard this before

2918
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:23,119
i think everything kind of gets recorded

2919
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:25,440
right that there's a residual of

2920
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:26,639
everything around

2921
01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:30,239
us and we just might connect

2922
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:33,599
at that frequency at that moment and see

2923
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:34,560
something

2924
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:37,280
and then it's gone right that's right

2925
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:38,719
yeah i i

2926
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:40,239
i i don't know there's got to be an

2927
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:42,480
explanation for this when when i go on

2928
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,840
your show

2929
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,840
um i'll tell the story about the

2930
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,599
vanishing house

2931
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,800
and i i've told it so many times on

2932
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:52,560
on this show i'm not gonna bore

2933
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:54,960
everybody with it but i gotta tell you

2934
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:58,159
jim i went back this was in my

2935
01:58:02,629 --> 01:57:59,679
neighborhood

2936
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,639
i went where i grew up i went back

2937
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:04,080
numerous times

2938
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,400
to find this house god

2939
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:11,440
god god just gone just

2940
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:14,719
just disappeared and i

2941
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,159
i i cannot resolve it in my

2942
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:21,440
own mind uh two or three streets in my

2943
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:24,080
neighborhood that's it that's it

2944
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:27,599
that's it i know every house disappeared

2945
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:30,800
disappeared so yeah i

2946
01:58:34,629 --> 01:58:33,360
i i can't explain it there's got to be

2947
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:34,639
something

2948
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:37,679
very simple uh when it comes to

2949
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:40,239
physics and science and entanglement and

2950
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:41,520
something else

2951
01:58:45,189 --> 01:58:44,320
that comes into play here and with that

2952
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:45,199
let's uh let's

2953
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:47,040
continue all of this after this short

2954
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,719
break this is fade to black

2955
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:50,800
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2956
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:52,239
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2960
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02:02:53,750 --> 02:02:50,560
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3045
02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:02,880
everybody i'm gonna throw jim under the

3046
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:03,760
bus a little bit

3047
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:07,280
um uh the bunker here is cool

3048
02:03:12,390 --> 02:03:10,719
uh not nearly as cool as your studio

3049
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:12,400
that i'm looking at here

3050
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:15,520
and uh i want to ask you

3051
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,560
about what appears to be in the

3052
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:20,000
background

3053
02:03:26,709 --> 02:03:23,199
are those are those squids is that

3054
02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:26,719
octopi well they're swimming around in

3055
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,360
the tank yeah we're animal friendly here

3056
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,880
those are totally fake

3057
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:33,360
but uh my wife got me this uh the

3058
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:34,880
jellyfish lamp over

3059
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:37,760
uh uh over christmas oh that's what that

3060
02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:38,400
is

3061
02:03:41,510 --> 02:03:40,400
yeah and thought would be cool for the

3062
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:41,520
studio and people

3063
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:45,280
love it that thing is the creepiest

3064
02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:47,760
is it mission accomplished i mean how

3065
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:48,560
what what am i

3066
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:51,840
looking at is it a tank with it's just

3067
02:03:55,350 --> 02:03:53,760
like a little container

3068
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:55,360
with it's like a cylinder a clear

3069
02:03:58,470 --> 02:03:57,040
cylinder and there's like two rubber

3070
02:04:00,149 --> 02:03:58,480
jellyfish but

3071
02:04:01,990 --> 02:04:00,159
you know with the bokeh effect that

3072
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:02,000
we've got on our cameras and stuff they

3073
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:02,960
look real

3074
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:04,719
i mean you look great and everything i

3075
02:04:10,950 --> 02:04:07,920
can't take my eyes off

3076
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:10,960
that is just crazy

3077
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,679
yeah that's really cool um and i now i

3078
02:04:18,629 --> 02:04:15,040
can't get one

3079
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:18,639
i can't because i would be uh stealing

3080
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,599
once again from uh jim arrow but but

3081
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:23,599
that is just amazing to look at over the

3082
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:24,320
shoulder

3083
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:26,880
now um i wanted to ask you about t.i for

3084
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:27,440
a second

3085
02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,800
since you know her um has she i know she

3086
02:04:36,390 --> 02:04:32,880
did the trip back after a couple of days

3087
02:04:38,790 --> 02:04:36,400
has she gone back to

3088
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:38,800
no now she's had other supernatural

3089
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:41,119
experiences and she's actually you may

3090
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,400
someday want to have her as a guest

3091
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:44,400
she's fantastic she's actually written a

3092
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:45,760
book about some of her other

3093
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:47,599
experiences in her younger days and so

3094
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:49,679
forth but but no she said she's never

3095
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:51,280
gone back and i don't really think that

3096
02:04:55,030 --> 02:04:52,639
she wants to

3097
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:55,040
um you know i guess i don't know if you

3098
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:55,920
feel that

3099
02:05:02,310 --> 02:04:59,199
if you really think that you narrowly ex

3100
02:05:04,870 --> 02:05:02,320
you know escaped falling into some kind

3101
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:04,880
of portal or vortex

3102
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:06,719
you probably don't want to go back and i

3103
02:05:10,709 --> 02:05:08,719
can kind of understand that

3104
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:10,719
and i got to tell you you know it's one

3105
02:05:14,149 --> 02:05:12,480
thing when you talk to somebody over the

3106
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:14,159
phone because this was

3107
02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:16,159
you know we we were still doing a lot of

3108
02:05:20,229 --> 02:05:17,679
phone calls back then

3109
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:20,239
uh and this was over the phone but when

3110
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:21,760
i met her it's like

3111
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:25,199
this woman's telling the truth i mean

3112
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:27,520
i have no doubt that she's telling the

3113
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:28,239
truth

3114
02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:31,280
it was like um i won't give the

3115
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:32,800
specifics of her

3116
02:05:35,910 --> 02:05:34,480
profession or so forth but it's a very

3117
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:35,920
respected

3118
02:05:41,189 --> 02:05:39,040
profession and i'm like

3119
02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:41,199
this woman is telling the truth this

3120
02:05:44,709 --> 02:05:42,079
happened

3121
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:44,719
and that's just mind-blowing to me now

3122
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:45,360
how

3123
02:05:50,069 --> 02:05:48,719
um when when i hear an experience like

3124
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:50,079
that

3125
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:54,159
i don't know if it's toppable

3126
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:55,920
what's what's the word well i'll tell

3127
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:57,440
you one i'll give you one that

3128
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,239
that is really tragic and i just did a

3129
02:06:05,910 --> 02:06:02,480
youtube video on this one too

3130
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,920
and what sure you've you've just started

3131
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:08,480
uh well judge it's recent a youtube

3132
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:09,119
channel

3133
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:12,000
uh what's it called uh it's just uh jim

3134
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:13,920
harold it's a youtube.com

3135
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:16,400
jim harold okay so pretty simple pretty

3136
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:17,760
simple i want everybody

3137
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:20,320
everybody go over and uh and check it

3138
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,440
out and subscribe

3139
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:23,920
to jim's new channel no thank you sir i

3140
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:24,639
appreciate it

3141
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:27,520
very much and uh yeah what one thing

3142
02:06:30,629 --> 02:06:28,719
we've been doing are what we call

3143
02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:30,639
campfire deep dives so we take some of

3144
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:32,239
the best stories and we have them come

3145
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:34,000
on and flesh it out and take audience

3146
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:34,880
questions

3147
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,480
so that's been a lot of fun we've just

3148
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:37,840
done a few of those and we're getting

3149
02:06:41,990 --> 02:06:39,040
going on those

3150
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:42,000
but one that is on there and it really i

3151
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:43,760
feel very sad for the storyteller

3152
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:44,000
because

3153
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:46,639
such a horrible story but she came on

3154
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:47,199
the show

3155
02:06:50,870 --> 02:06:48,960
and i i said this would be great for

3156
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,880
video but i understand if you don't want

3157
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,079
to tell it

3158
02:06:55,270 --> 02:06:53,920
because i'm very empathetic to what

3159
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:55,280
happened to you and she said no

3160
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:56,800
no i want to tell it i'm talking about

3161
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:59,280
lucy over in the uk

3162
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:00,800
and she tells a story and this must have

3163
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:04,079
happened 10 15 years ago

3164
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:08,000
she was studying in london and

3165
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:10,239
she was going to move back closer to her

3166
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:11,679
home somewhere in the midlands of

3167
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:12,079
england

3168
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:16,079
dad came together

3169
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:18,960
and they had a you know she had a lot of

3170
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:20,000
stuff

3171
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:23,280
so they had a trailer and everything

3172
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,719
so they had their car and they had a

3173
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:26,239
trailer behind it and they were on the

3174
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:28,719
as they call over the motorway

3175
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:31,199
as opposed to our freeways and they were

3176
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:32,239
going along

3177
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:35,280
her dad talking nothing unusual trailer

3178
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:37,679
in the back with all our stuff on it

3179
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:40,159
and then all of a sudden this other car

3180
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,880
pulls up

3181
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:43,119
on the side to them and she said it was

3182
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:44,320
the oddest

3183
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:47,760
green color it was like glowing almost

3184
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:50,400
and she said that the car pulled even

3185
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:51,440
with them

3186
02:07:54,110 --> 02:07:53,599
and they looked over and there was a

3187
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:54,120
woman

3188
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:55,360
[Music]

3189
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:58,800
with bright red hair very pale

3190
02:08:04,229 --> 02:08:02,159
a little bit on the uh how shall we say

3191
02:08:05,990 --> 02:08:04,239
um i don't know the nice way to put it

3192
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,000
well uh

3193
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:08,639
let's say that she was not thin as a

3194
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,520
real

3195
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:12,480
uh and i neither am i so that's no

3196
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,000
spurgeon but she was a

3197
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,560
little on the heavier side and the woman

3198
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:18,560
was looking at them and she had her eyes

3199
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,199
wide open and her mouth a gap like

3200
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:23,199
you can't see what i'm doing but imagine

3201
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:25,119
that eyes wide open a gay bright red

3202
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:25,599
hair

3203
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:28,719
very pale complected uh and they were

3204
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,159
just looking at them

3205
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:32,560
and lucy's dad said do you do you know

3206
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:33,679
that woman

3207
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:35,440
and lucy said no i've never seen our own

3208
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:37,440
life and they and then the car pulled

3209
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:37,840
away

3210
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,400
and they got to thinking ah we've got

3211
02:08:44,069 --> 02:08:42,560
this trailer in the back

3212
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:44,079
maybe it's coming loose maybe

3213
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:45,679
something's falling off

3214
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:49,599
we better stop and check this

3215
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:51,360
so the father pulls to the side of the

3216
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:53,119
road

3217
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:55,440
and goes out to check it everything

3218
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:56,800
looks good he's walking

3219
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:59,360
back to the car and he gets struck and

3220
02:09:02,830 --> 02:09:00,000
killed

3221
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,840
and thrown i think like 50 or 75 feet

3222
02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:04,079
instantly

3223
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:08,400
and dies and lucy

3224
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,400
thinks and believes that potentially

3225
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:14,480
it was some kind of harbinger of doom or

3226
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:16,960
maybe like a banshee

3227
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:19,440
and i asked her the question i said well

3228
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:21,119
she thought it was more of a warning

3229
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:24,719
i said was i said rather than warning

3230
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:26,000
maybe with this thing

3231
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:28,480
or this person or banshee or whatever

3232
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:29,119
was

3233
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:35,840
kind of entrapping him so to speak now

3234
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:36,560
there was a

3235
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:39,679
little heartwarming tale at the end um

3236
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:42,239
her dad moved into a new place and and

3237
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:43,840
deeply wanted

3238
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:46,000
uh her brother to come see it and he

3239
02:09:48,260 --> 02:09:47,520
hadn't had a chance yet of course when

3240
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:48,270
all this happened

3241
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:49,599
[Music]

3242
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:52,159
he did come to the the home and and to

3243
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:53,520
get to see it

3244
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:56,719
and her i think her brother was across

3245
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:57,679
the room

3246
02:10:01,990 --> 02:10:00,239
she was up the stairs she looked and she

3247
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:02,000
saw her dad

3248
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:04,000
the ghost of her dad there smiling with

3249
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:05,599
the biggest smile on her face looking at

3250
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:06,960
her brother

3251
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:10,320
so his soul did survive and he came to

3252
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:10,880
visit

3253
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:13,760
to see his son see the place that he so

3254
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:14,480
desperately

3255
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:16,159
wanted him to see but i just think

3256
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:17,840
that's such a sad story

3257
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,400
the grim reaper you know i don't know

3258
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:22,480
what it was was it was it a warning

3259
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:25,760
or was it an entrapment i don't know now

3260
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:28,800
you you just mentioned uh earlier that

3261
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:32,639
your your your mother's past right um

3262
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:35,679
has have you had the experience that so

3263
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:38,800
many others talk about like lucy

3264
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:40,960
did you see your mom after she passed

3265
02:10:44,069 --> 02:10:42,639
did she come and visit

3266
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:44,079
well you know it's funny you mentioned

3267
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:46,159
that because not in a traditional sense

3268
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:46,719
but

3269
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:48,719
when supernatural things happen to me

3270
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:51,520
they happen these weird synchronicities

3271
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:54,400
now there's a funny joke one uh there's

3272
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:55,199
um

3273
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:57,040
there was another podcaster out there

3274
02:11:00,310 --> 02:10:59,280
one time who for whatever reason didn't

3275
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:00,320
like me

3276
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:02,880
and he said that i was a millionaire and

3277
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:03,920
i had all this

3278
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:07,199
uh this uh ability to to get this like

3279
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:08,880
fancy equipment and all this stuff which

3280
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:11,520
is laughable i'm a middle class guy

3281
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:13,840
i wish i were a millionaire but i'm not

3282
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:15,280
but the point being

3283
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:17,520
uh i was at the so to tell you what kind

3284
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:18,400
of millionaire

3285
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:20,560
i am jimmy i was at the dollar store

3286
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:22,079
buying some postage

3287
02:11:27,430 --> 02:11:26,079
supplies my favorite store by the way

3288
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:27,440
so so that tells you what kind of

3289
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:30,079
millionaire i am but anyway

3290
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:32,159
so i was there and this was maybe three

3291
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:34,000
four years after my mom passed

3292
02:11:37,189 --> 02:11:35,840
and i saw a woman there who looked just

3293
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:37,199
like my mom now it wasn't

3294
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:39,679
my mom but i mean she could have passed

3295
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,560
for

3296
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:42,800
almost an identical twin there were some

3297
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:43,760
slight differences

3298
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:45,679
wore same kind of glasses same kind of

3299
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,280
clothes same kind of shoes

3300
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:49,440
same kind of hairstyle everything in

3301
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,000
fact so much so

3302
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:54,079
if i had been in a store when she was

3303
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:55,360
alive

3304
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:56,719
at first glance i would have thought it

3305
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:58,800
was her that's how close it was

3306
02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:02,560
so anyway i thought well that's weird

3307
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:05,920
so anyway i was shopping and i got my

3308
02:12:08,709 --> 02:12:07,840
padded envelopes or whatever i needed to

3309
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:08,719
get in

3310
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:11,520
shipping tape got in line looked up and

3311
02:12:17,589 --> 02:12:14,159
lo and behold who's in front of me but

3312
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:17,599
fo mom the doppel mom and

3313
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:21,119
uh and stuff and she has a bottle of

3314
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:23,599
pepsi i'll never forget it

3315
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:25,599
and she turns around and looks at me and

3316
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,270
of course she was gonna pay for it which

3317
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:33,199
he did and i'm like sure i'll open it

3318
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,719
for you and i gave it back to her and

3319
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:36,560
that was it

3320
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:39,599
but jimmy i don't know about you

3321
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:41,840
i've been before the pandemic probably

3322
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,840
the thousands of stores over the course

3323
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:45,440
of the last

3324
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:49,360
little decades never has anybody done

3325
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:50,960
anything like that that never happened

3326
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:52,320
to me and it just happened to be this

3327
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:53,760
woman who just happened to look

3328
02:12:57,669 --> 02:12:56,400
exactly like my mom after she died that

3329
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:57,679
is to say and i've got another

3330
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,119
quick one i can tell you about a family

3331
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:01,679
member that's even weirder

3332
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:04,800
but the point being that i think that

3333
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:06,880
our loved ones engineer these little

3334
02:13:14,149 --> 02:13:09,920
things to get messages to us

3335
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:14,159
can you open this for me that's awesome

3336
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:16,480
i mean that's awesome and and this goes

3337
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:17,280
through

3338
02:13:22,629 --> 02:13:20,960
your mind yeah right yeah that's uh

3339
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:22,639
there's something going on there i've

3340
02:13:29,189 --> 02:13:26,000
got one's even more weird

3341
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:29,199
okay i was on a paranormal cruise

3342
02:13:33,189 --> 02:13:32,159
probably 2017 or 2018 something like

3343
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:33,199
that i don't know

3344
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:36,000
it was with micah micah hanks and the

3345
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:38,560
late great rose mary ellen guyley who

3346
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:41,360
i missed this greatly it was amazing

3347
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:42,000
amazing

3348
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:45,040
times

3349
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,239
i mean she was the best and uh

3350
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:50,560
anyway we were there and this was the

3351
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:52,079
day at sea

3352
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:53,920
where they weren't making any excursions

3353
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:55,599
so this is where we had like the

3354
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,880
paranormal

3355
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:59,040
talks you know you give up and give a

3356
02:14:01,270 --> 02:14:00,560
presentation i was nervous because i'm

3357
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:01,280
like

3358
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:03,119
how am i gonna follow rosemary ellen

3359
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:04,560
guyley my god

3360
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:08,000
she's the best so and i was dealing with

3361
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:09,440
a little sore throat so i thought oh

3362
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:11,119
well before my session i'll go get some

3363
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:13,119
coffee at the cafe so

3364
02:14:16,149 --> 02:14:14,639
being the smart people they are to get

3365
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:16,159
to the cafe you have to walk through the

3366
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:18,000
casino

3367
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,920
and uh they have one of those big crane

3368
02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:23,440
machines you know the little claw that

3369
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:25,040
comes down and grabs stuff and they had

3370
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:26,560
the money machine and one of the guys in

3371
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:27,119
our group

3372
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:29,440
one of the attendees was playing it and

3373
02:14:34,390 --> 02:14:31,280
i stopped in my tracks

3374
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:34,400
and that had a meaning for me because my

3375
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:36,719
uncle who was like a second dad to me i

3376
02:14:39,830 --> 02:14:38,159
was i was like very

3377
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:39,840
lucky in my life i've had many father

3378
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:41,520
figures and

3379
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:43,920
really kind of like my co-dad was my

3380
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:46,239
uncle because he lived with us

3381
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:48,400
and he was a tremendous guy and he died

3382
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,000
right around the same time my mom did

3383
02:14:55,109 --> 02:14:52,079
within two weeks it was sad

3384
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:55,119
very sad he went then she went two weeks

3385
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:55,920
later

3386
02:15:02,709 --> 02:15:00,400
but anyway uh i thought oh my god i wish

3387
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:02,719
he were here because he loved these

3388
02:15:07,510 --> 02:15:06,159
crane games he would go into a cvs or

3389
02:15:08,870 --> 02:15:07,520
you know a walmart or whatever they

3390
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:08,880
would have these games he would put ten

3391
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:10,960
dollars in it just to play the game

3392
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:13,360
and then he would you know whatever kids

3393
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:14,480
came over to visit

3394
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:16,480
or if my kids came they would he would

3395
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:17,599
give them these little

3396
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:20,320
tchotchke toys from the thing so anyway

3397
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:21,679
i'm like god i wish you were here

3398
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:23,440
because he would love this he would like

3399
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:24,880
blow a lot of money but he would

3400
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:25,760
absolutely

3401
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:30,079
love this very intentional

3402
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:32,639
not a second later one walks up to the

3403
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:33,280
machine

3404
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:37,599
she cups her hand and goes john

3405
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:41,599
john i just got chills i just got chills

3406
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:44,719
guess what my uncle's name was john you

3407
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:46,400
somebody i said that someone they said

3408
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:48,320
what steve yeah steve

3409
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:57,430
um i i just got chills because i mean

3410
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,159
what are the chances now and some guy

3411
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:02,400
walked over i assume it was her husband

3412
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:04,320
uh they were probably in their 60s but

3413
02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:05,920
the thing was is that

3414
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:08,560
it's almost like somebody somewhere had

3415
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:10,400
some chess pieces

3416
02:16:14,629 --> 02:16:13,920
and when i had that thought of my uncle

3417
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:14,639
that very

3418
02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:16,639
strong thought of him that triggered

3419
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:17,920
something and said okay let's move the

3420
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:19,679
chess pieces where he can get some kind

3421
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:20,239
of

3422
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,880
affirmation like in the middle you know

3423
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:24,639
and they did all this like within 10

3424
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:26,400
seconds

3425
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:30,719
doesn't that uh doesn't that tell you

3426
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:33,760
that you are able to stop and appreciate

3427
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:36,080
the moment and know it when it's going

3428
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:37,519
down

3429
02:16:42,230 --> 02:16:39,599
but there are so many people out there

3430
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:42,240
that live their life in tunnel vision

3431
02:16:46,230 --> 02:16:45,519
that these moments happen and they don't

3432
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:46,240
recognize

3433
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:49,200
it yeah yeah but i can empathize too i

3434
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:49,679
mean

3435
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:51,840
sometimes like i'll think i i don't

3436
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,000
audibly hear my mom but i feel like

3437
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:56,080
i'm getting uh like one time i remember

3438
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,519
i was going to see my dad

3439
02:17:02,230 --> 02:16:59,439
and i do everything for my dad i pay his

3440
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,240
bills i take him grocery shopping

3441
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:03,840
and there's not a pandemic you know all

3442
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:05,679
that stuff so i really

3443
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:07,840
i think i do a good job and a lot of

3444
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:09,120
kids you know when their kid

3445
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:10,960
parents get older they're like eh not my

3446
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:13,120
problem but i'm the opposite i'm very

3447
02:17:16,150 --> 02:17:14,880
attentive and really try to help him out

3448
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:16,160
in any way i can

3449
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:17,679
because i figured out without you know

3450
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:19,679
jimmy without him there'd be no me

3451
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:21,679
and when i couldn't help myself he

3452
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:23,200
helped me and he went in a steel mill

3453
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:23,679
for

3454
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:28,319
great disc jockey

3455
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:30,960
at the one station i worked at wgar the

3456
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:32,719
big country station in cleveland

3457
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:34,719
i was telling about you know what my dad

3458
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:36,240
you know working a blue collar job all

3459
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,679
these years and he's like

3460
02:17:42,389 --> 02:17:39,280
and that's why you can sit there in that

3461
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:42,399
suit and uh i never forgot that

3462
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:45,120
but anyway i remember driving over one

3463
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:45,840
day

3464
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,319
and uh i was thinking i hope i'm doing

3465
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:50,160
right by him and you know

3466
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:53,920
and i heard a thought in my mind and i

3467
02:17:57,110 --> 02:17:56,319
in it it was phrased just like my mom

3468
02:18:02,790 --> 02:17:57,120
said

3469
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:02,800
you're doing a damn good job jimmy

3470
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:04,719
but i don't know jimmy i don't know if

3471
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:06,479
that was her if that was my imagination

3472
02:18:10,070 --> 02:18:08,160
so i have that same struggle

3473
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:10,080
am i just reading things in am i just

3474
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:11,679
seeing what i want to see

3475
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:13,599
but to me sometimes i always say this on

3476
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:15,760
my show they're coincidences

3477
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,200
and then there are coins coincidences

3478
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,639
that are so meaningful that they're not

3479
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:23,599
coincidences

3480
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:24,880
no they're intentional they're

3481
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:27,519
intentional yeah and it makes me

3482
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:31,200
feel that uh because i try to recognize

3483
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:33,040
i i like to stop in the moment and

3484
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:35,120
appreciate what is going on

3485
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,800
but it says to me that the universe

3486
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:40,479
itself is alive

3487
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:43,040
it's it's fully alive it's electric it's

3488
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:44,160
connected

3489
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:47,200
and it's it's like a step ahead of you

3490
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:50,399
it really is and and and

3491
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:52,479
when it when it constantly happens like

3492
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:53,599
you said there's

3493
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:55,359
there's coincidences and then there's

3494
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:58,080
this intention this blatant

3495
02:19:01,509 --> 02:19:00,240
thing that happens that it is beyond

3496
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:01,519
coincidence

3497
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:04,719
and it happens so often look i'll give

3498
02:19:08,709 --> 02:19:05,359
you a

3499
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:08,719
basic basic of the basics and it just

3500
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:09,359
happened

3501
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:14,960
gonna make this brief

3502
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,719
uh last year in the middle of the

3503
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:18,319
pandemic uh i was

3504
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:21,920
uh on my way over to manchester

3505
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:24,240
england and to the uk to host a

3506
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:25,679
conference

3507
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:27,840
and very excited about that but the

3508
02:19:30,469 --> 02:19:28,719
pandemic hits

3509
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:30,479
we all know what happens right okay

3510
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:32,559
right um i haven't

3511
02:19:37,429 --> 02:19:35,679
uh spoken to the

3512
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:37,439
promoters over there they're good

3513
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:38,880
friends but i haven't spoken to them in

3514
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:39,519
eight months

3515
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:42,000
ten months something like that a couple

3516
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:44,160
of nights ago

3517
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:47,760
rita and i uh after the show

3518
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:51,200
we bring up these two guys

3519
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:54,319
uh steve mara and uh and his partner

3520
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:55,280
over there

3521
02:20:02,309 --> 02:19:58,479
and uh bring him up out of the blue

3522
02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:02,319
right it well i wake up in the morning

3523
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:06,240
and i pick up my phone i've got a text

3524
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:08,960
hey man just thinking about you right

3525
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:11,439
out of it now wait a minute here

3526
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:13,280
it was like and i looked at the time

3527
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:14,720
stamp and it was like

3528
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:17,760
four hours after rita and i

3529
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:20,720
brought them up now you have to just

3530
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:21,200
stop

3531
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:23,600
and freeze frame that for a second and

3532
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:24,800
understand

3533
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,600
what are the odds what are the options

3534
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:28,800
what are the options

3535
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,000
yeah it's great i it reminds me of

3536
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:34,080
our mutual friend richard cyrit and the

3537
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:35,359
story that he told

3538
02:20:43,910 --> 02:20:40,080
about his friend r gary patterson

3539
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:43,920
all the the work on and he was getting

3540
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:45,600
and i don't remember the specifics so i

3541
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,800
don't want to miss cro

3542
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:49,040
quote richard but essentially he was

3543
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:50,080
getting like

3544
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:53,040
texts and stuff and communications from

3545
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:55,520
our gary patterson after he died

3546
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,640
for like hours and

3547
02:21:01,990 --> 02:21:00,080
you know richard strikes me as a pretty

3548
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:02,000
level-headed guy yes he is

3549
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:04,640
and and and a great guy i really i

3550
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,439
really enjoy

3551
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:07,200
in fact he was in cleveland uh

3552
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:09,439
pre-pandemic couple years ago when we

3553
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:12,000
and said said we'll meet for a half hour

3554
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,359
and have a beer and then about

3555
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,920
three it was that kind of thing we just

3556
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:17,359
kind of like you and i we just kind of

3557
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:18,800
click because we have so many common

3558
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:20,479
touchstones and interests

3559
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:24,080
but but the point being the point being

3560
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,479
that

3561
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:26,800
and i hate to repeat myself but this

3562
02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:27,680
stuff happens

3563
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:30,640
it's real it's not imagination it's not

3564
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:32,479
and that's what tease me off is

3565
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:38,080
i'm no problem with fair skepticism

3566
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:40,160
and i think we should be skeptical we

3567
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:41,920
should keep an open mind but not so

3568
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:45,120
open our brains fall out i totally

3569
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,479
believe that

3570
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,160
and i think that there are you know

3571
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:49,840
there's a whole range of explanations

3572
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:51,120
for all this stuff

3573
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,960
there's unfortunately the one i hate the

3574
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:54,640
most and really i won't say it

3575
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,840
positively outrages me po's me

3576
02:22:01,270 --> 02:22:00,240
uh is are hoaxes there's downright

3577
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:01,280
hoaxes

3578
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,880
then there's people seeing what they

3579
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:04,640
want to see i think that happens

3580
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,359
sometimes

3581
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,680
and it's not their fault it's just you

3582
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:09,359
know they're interpreting things the way

3583
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:11,200
they want to some people might say that

3584
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:14,399
i did that with my mom and uncle

3585
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:16,319
then there are things that happen but

3586
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:18,160
they're perfectly explicable

3587
02:22:22,230 --> 02:22:20,319
through normal means somebody sees a

3588
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:22,240
really weird ufo i totally believe

3589
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:23,600
sometimes that's

3590
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:25,280
secret military craft i think that

3591
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:28,000
happens not that means a bad person

3592
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:30,240
just means that but there's that other

3593
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:31,760
part that's left

3594
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,520
that you go through all those categories

3595
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:34,880
and none of them are true they're good

3596
02:22:38,469 --> 02:22:36,000
people

3597
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:38,479
um they're not mistaken it's not

3598
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:39,840
explicable

3599
02:22:43,349 --> 02:22:41,920
what do we do with that what it is what

3600
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:43,359
is it and i guess that's the crux of

3601
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:45,120
what we try to do on both of our shows

3602
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:46,640
is explore those things

3603
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:49,680
that you you throw out all of the fair

3604
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,960
explanations

3605
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,800
and you still have a big pile of stuff

3606
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,720
and i interviewed dr michael shermer

3607
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:57,359
a long time ago he's like the other than

3608
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:59,120
james randy probably the best known

3609
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,160
skeptic out there

3610
02:23:03,349 --> 02:23:02,560
although he's publisher of skeptics

3611
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:03,359
magazine

3612
02:23:07,030 --> 02:23:05,760
yeah now i will say this though he was a

3613
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:07,040
perfect gentleman

3614
02:23:11,910 --> 02:23:09,680
and you know what i disagree with him

3615
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:11,920
but i love the fact that we could agree

3616
02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:13,840
to disagree and he was a great guy a

3617
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:14,640
real gentleman

3618
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:16,399
totally disagree with him but a great

3619
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:18,240
guy i think we're

3620
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:19,920
missing a little bit of that in our

3621
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:21,920
society today i'll say no more

3622
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:23,600
but the ability that we can have a

3623
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:25,280
discussion and disagree

3624
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:27,600
but still walk away as friends i i value

3625
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:28,720
that

3626
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:38,720
and i'm like no

3627
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:40,880
don't put it on the shelf take it off

3628
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:41,760
the shelf

3629
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:43,760
explore it because that's what we need

3630
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:45,439
to do we need to explore those cases

3631
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:47,760
because you just admitted

3632
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,960
there's something and the funny thing is

3633
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:52,479
about shurmur is

3634
02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:54,080
you can look this up in scientific

3635
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:56,399
american he wrote an article about

3636
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:58,560
essentially what he had was a paranormal

3637
02:24:02,150 --> 02:24:00,000
experience but then at the end

3638
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,160
he's like well it's very profound and

3639
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:04,640
it's enough to shake one's skepticism

3640
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:06,240
to the core but of course it wasn't

3641
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:08,880
paranormal the story was

3642
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:12,160
he was getting married uh and this is

3643
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:13,680
later in life i don't think this was

3644
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:15,520
decades ago this is probably like 10 or

3645
02:24:19,990 --> 02:24:16,640
15 years

3646
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:20,000
and uh his wife his bride-to-be was

3647
02:24:22,630 --> 02:24:21,600
saying boy i wish my grandfather were

3648
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:22,640
here today

3649
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:24,479
i miss my grandfather i wish you were

3650
02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:26,000
here for this

3651
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:28,800
and they happened to have a radio that

3652
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:30,080
he had given her

3653
02:24:36,550 --> 02:24:33,600
but it didn't play except

3654
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:36,560
on their wedding day they played it all

3655
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:37,600
day

3656
02:24:44,950 --> 02:24:42,560
what happened it didn't play anymore

3657
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:44,960
didn't play anymore yeah and he wrote

3658
02:24:47,750 --> 02:24:46,800
about this look it up folks scientific

3659
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:47,760
american

3660
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:49,920
michael shermer i don't have the link

3661
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:51,920
candy but he wrote a whole long story

3662
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:52,800
about it

3663
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:56,800
and it's like dude

3664
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,479
although i do respect him and i and

3665
02:25:02,550 --> 02:25:00,960
again we don't have to agree that's what

3666
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:02,560
makes the world go around i think i

3667
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:04,240
think that if we all thought exactly the

3668
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:04,880
same thing

3669
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:08,240
boy it would be a boring world well i i

3670
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:10,800
i believe you know with and somebody

3671
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,000
like michael shermer

3672
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:15,120
and others that no matter

3673
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,000
what and and and james randy's a classic

3674
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:20,000
example of this

3675
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:23,200
you could have them go through an

3676
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,160
experience they could see it touch it

3677
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:28,319
feel it for themselves and still be in

3678
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:29,520
denial

3679
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:32,160
and you you some people you just can't

3680
02:25:35,349 --> 02:25:33,120
change

3681
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,359
um and and then there's the other part

3682
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:38,000
where they have a fan base

3683
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:41,120
so what do they do with that do they

3684
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:44,000
flip on their fan base yeah but then in

3685
02:25:47,510 --> 02:25:44,720
fairness

3686
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,520
there's people who think everything is

3687
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:50,479
our aliens and everything i mean i think

3688
02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:52,319
i think that we have people on both ends

3689
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:53,680
of spectrum sure do

3690
02:26:00,870 --> 02:25:57,200
that sure do uh rita and i

3691
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:00,880
we went through this uh crazy ufo

3692
02:26:04,389 --> 02:26:03,600
sighting night with uh with about 150

3693
02:26:07,270 --> 02:26:04,399
people

3694
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:07,280
and we saw some pretty amazing stuff and

3695
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:08,560
and this one is the

3696
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:11,600
green chrome ball sighting and and it's

3697
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:14,560
it's out there it's okay whatever but it

3698
02:26:20,070 --> 02:26:15,920
was a big deal

3699
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:20,080
and rita and i were walking away uh down

3700
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:21,439
the hill and we've been out there for a

3701
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:23,680
couple hours just a crazy night just

3702
02:26:27,670 --> 02:26:26,640
we saw things that or we just couldn't

3703
02:26:30,790 --> 02:26:27,680
explain

3704
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:30,800
and rita turns to me and she's and she

3705
02:26:36,150 --> 02:26:32,080
says

3706
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:36,160
what if we had somebody out here with us

3707
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:38,640
you know like the new i said look if we

3708
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:40,479
had wolf blitzer

3709
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:44,000
here tonight and he saw what we saw he

3710
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:45,439
would not go on the news tomorrow and

3711
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:46,720
talk about it

3712
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:49,920
i just i probably not no i and

3713
02:26:53,349 --> 02:26:52,560
and we saw some crazy stuff i called uh

3714
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:53,359
you know lisa

3715
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:56,479
lisa lyons yeah it was the next day

3716
02:27:01,030 --> 02:26:58,880
and uh she calls me she says okay what

3717
02:27:03,750 --> 02:27:01,040
are you gonna do on coast this friday

3718
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:03,760
and i said you know what lisa uh my

3719
02:27:07,700 --> 02:27:04,800
guest is gonna be

3720
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:07,710
me and she goes why and i said well

3721
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:09,120
[Laughter]

3722
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:11,280
i just had this siding and this is what

3723
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:12,800
happened and i explained she goes

3724
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:13,840
excellent

3725
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:21,439
gym i tell the story i take calls

3726
02:27:27,750 --> 02:27:24,560
and what i expected didn't happen

3727
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:27,760
and i expected the media you know i'm

3728
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:29,359
speaking to what a million people

3729
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:31,840
right yeah a ton of people yeah and and

3730
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:33,600
i expected

3731
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,840
to be contacted by the media you know

3732
02:27:40,469 --> 02:27:37,840
tell us about the story what happened

3733
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:40,479
you know there was video yes you know

3734
02:27:44,070 --> 02:27:41,040
nothing

3735
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:44,080
crickets and i never quite figured that

3736
02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:44,640
out in

3737
02:27:49,030 --> 02:27:46,720
in a weird way it just kind of enraged

3738
02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:49,040
me where i just thought

3739
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:52,080
i need to defend these you know the 150

3740
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:53,680
people that were out there with us

3741
02:27:58,070 --> 02:27:57,040
right they need to be able to tell their

3742
02:28:00,309 --> 02:27:58,080
friends

3743
02:28:01,590 --> 02:28:00,319
look jimmy church was with us he talked

3744
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:01,600
about it on coast it

3745
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,880
really happened this was a real but um

3746
02:28:08,309 --> 02:28:06,720
if i didn't do what i did they don't

3747
02:28:10,870 --> 02:28:08,319
have that support

3748
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:10,880
and that's the part that i just get a

3749
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:12,000
little angry

3750
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,560
about all of this is that people see

3751
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:16,479
things that they can't explain

3752
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:18,399
but when they try to do it they don't

3753
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:20,240
have anything to back it up

3754
02:28:25,030 --> 02:28:22,880
and that's that's just not right because

3755
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:25,040
uh somebody's personal experience

3756
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:27,520
is just as valid as those pilots with

3757
02:28:31,030 --> 02:28:28,560
the nimitz

3758
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:31,040
that's true that's true i mean because

3759
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:31,680
like i'll

3760
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:34,240
take it back full circle to like my dad

3761
02:28:38,150 --> 02:28:35,520
a steel worker

3762
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:38,160
and my mom i don't know if it's

3763
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:39,760
politically correct but a homemaker at

3764
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,479
the time

3765
02:28:43,910 --> 02:28:42,240
and the thing is is that they didn't fly

3766
02:28:46,870 --> 02:28:43,920
a plane for president obama

3767
02:28:47,429 --> 02:28:46,880
but they're not people they're honest

3768
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:47,439
people

3769
02:28:51,110 --> 02:28:49,520
right and they didn't make it up now i

3770
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:51,120
know they didn't make it up

3771
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:52,720
uh i don't know if we're gonna have time

3772
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:54,960
one more quick family story

3773
02:28:58,950 --> 02:28:57,120
well no i'm gonna ask you to hang on for

3774
02:29:02,230 --> 02:28:58,960
overtime because i want

3775
02:29:03,190 --> 02:29:02,240
i want two more campfires after after

3776
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,200
the break

3777
02:29:06,630 --> 02:29:06,000
okay okay go ahead go ahead continue all

3778
02:29:08,550 --> 02:29:06,640
right

3779
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:08,560
my dad and my uncle were in an apartment

3780
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:10,560
they lived over a bar in cleveland

3781
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:14,000
uh new to town probably about 1960.

3782
02:29:21,270 --> 02:29:17,760
uh one night they're asleep one door in

3783
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:21,280
one door out one door nowhere else

3784
02:29:28,230 --> 02:29:24,880
so the the one night uh a

3785
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:28,240
uh my dad wakes up my dad was a

3786
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:32,160
burly guy and a football player and uh

3787
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:35,439
basically a guy is looking over him

3788
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:38,640
smiling he wakes up this guy and it's an

3789
02:29:41,270 --> 02:29:39,520
old guy

3790
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:41,280
who used to go down to the bar who had

3791
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:43,600
died a couple years earlier

3792
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:44,880
and he was looking over my dad and

3793
02:29:50,309 --> 02:29:47,040
smiling my dad you know at that time

3794
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:50,319
about 25 years old 200 pounds six foot

3795
02:29:56,630 --> 02:29:53,600
probably mostly muscle swings nothing

3796
02:29:59,190 --> 02:29:56,640
air he starts yelling screaming my uncle

3797
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:59,200
who was uh you know he was a little

3798
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,000
spunky

3799
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,680
he's like oh go back to sleep and

3800
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:03,280
probably uttered a couple of them

3801
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:04,960
mentionals and said you're just you're

3802
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:06,720
just imagining this

3803
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,479
okay two weeks later my uncle looks up

3804
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:12,640
he's asleep wakes up looks up guess

3805
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:14,160
who's looking at him same guy

3806
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:15,920
what does he do he starts yelling he's

3807
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:17,760
six two full of muscle

3808
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:21,040
26 years old swings nothing and

3809
02:30:28,710 --> 02:30:24,319
uh he tells my dad you were right

3810
02:30:33,270 --> 02:30:28,720
he was here swings at nothing

3811
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:33,280
yeah let's take our break right here

3812
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:35,200
this is fade to black i am your host

3813
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:36,880
jimmy church our guest tonight the one

3814
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:38,800
and only jim harold the paranormal

3815
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:39,760
podcast

3816
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:41,280
we're gonna take a quick break when we

3817
02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:43,520
come back we're gonna head into overtime

3818
02:30:47,830 --> 02:30:45,840
and i've got to i've got to get more

3819
02:30:50,070 --> 02:30:47,840
campfire i want to have a great night's

3820
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:50,080
sleep tonight and so do you

3821
02:31:00,060 --> 02:30:51,439
we'll be right back after this short

3822
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:00,070
break stay with us

3823
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,510
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3824
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:21,920
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3825
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:30,469
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this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

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02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:53,030
[Music]

3904
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:54,960
welcome back fade to black i am your

3905
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:56,399
host jimmy church our guest tonight jim

3906
02:34:59,750 --> 02:34:57,359
harold

3907
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:59,760
heading into overtime we're gonna go

3908
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:01,359
we're gonna go pull the pole tonight

3909
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:02,640
with jim

3910
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:05,040
and i i seriously want to take advantage

3911
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:06,000
of this time

3912
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:09,040
and one of the things that i enjoy

3913
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:12,080
most uh about this show and we don't do

3914
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:13,120
it enough

3915
02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:16,240
is is campfire stories we just we

3916
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:18,720
we don't do it enough and every time i i

3917
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:20,880
finish a show like this jim i'm i'm so

3918
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:22,240
satisfied

3919
02:35:26,230 --> 02:35:25,040
and and i know that the audience this is

3920
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:26,240
um

3921
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:28,720
uh we i wanted to talk about this

3922
02:35:32,790 --> 02:35:29,520
earlier

3923
02:35:33,910 --> 02:35:32,800
is that growing up when you listen to

3924
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:33,920
talk radio

3925
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:40,399
is purely theater of the mind where your

3926
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:41,520
head just gets

3927
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:45,120
into it and you paint your own picture

3928
02:35:49,429 --> 02:35:48,240
and you just go for it and that was

3929
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:49,439
something that i always

3930
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:51,359
wanted to do here on fade to black and

3931
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:54,240
when i do shows like this with you

3932
02:35:57,670 --> 02:35:56,000
i'm enjoying it but i know that the

3933
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:57,680
audience they're able to

3934
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:59,280
paint this picture it's the theater of

3935
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:01,600
the mind and i i just

3936
02:36:06,309 --> 02:36:04,319
uh it's the best uh for me i think it's

3937
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:06,319
the most satisfying uh version of talk

3938
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:07,680
radio out there and i want to thank you

3939
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:08,640
for that

3940
02:36:16,070 --> 02:36:12,960
um so now that being said

3941
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,080
i gotta have another campfire story well

3942
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,319
you know it's weird because i i find and

3943
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:20,000
thank you for those kind words

3944
02:36:26,309 --> 02:36:23,680
um i find that we get a lot of stories

3945
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:26,319
good stories interesting stories that

3946
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:27,840
circulate somehow

3947
02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:31,520
or surround the idea of artwork

3948
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:33,840
and uh i have too many to mention

3949
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:35,680
tonight but one that strikes me

3950
02:36:40,230 --> 02:36:38,560
from uh many years back the beginning of

3951
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:40,240
the show maybe the first few months and

3952
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:41,840
i actually communicated with the

3953
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:42,960
gentleman and we're going to have them

3954
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:44,800
on youtube to retell it and take some

3955
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:46,560
audience questions

3956
02:36:52,469 --> 02:36:49,600
but this uh gentleman

3957
02:36:53,030 --> 02:36:52,479
jay from california uh and this is a 10

3958
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:53,040
year old

3959
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:54,800
call so that's how strong it is in my

3960
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:56,399
mind

3961
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:58,640
he tells a story about a painting and

3962
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:00,640
some weird things that surrounded it

3963
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:04,479
so his mom was uh i guess split from his

3964
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:05,200
dad so

3965
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:08,880
they were living with uh a friend

3966
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:12,000
and their kids in this apartment they

3967
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,439
were sharing an apartment

3968
02:37:18,309 --> 02:37:16,399
and the mom had gone to an estate sale

3969
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:18,319
and had purchased uh

3970
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:21,920
a uh a picture of a rocking

3971
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:25,359
uh um a rocking chair

3972
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:27,439
uh of a woman in a rocking chair like

3973
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:30,560
wearing a white a white gown

3974
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:31,920
and they said that this house i think

3975
02:37:38,150 --> 02:37:35,920
was in san francisco that it had uh

3976
02:37:40,389 --> 02:37:38,160
there were rumors that it wasn't exactly

3977
02:37:42,070 --> 02:37:40,399
satanic worship going on there but maybe

3978
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:42,080
some kind of darker things were going on

3979
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:43,520
in terms of some

3980
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:46,080
rituals and things that was the that was

3981
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:47,600
the the word

3982
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:50,479
anyway so they bought this painting and

3983
02:37:55,030 --> 02:37:51,760
they put it up

3984
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:55,040
and uh all of a sudden strange things

3985
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:56,640
started happening

3986
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:58,960
they would nail it up to the wall and

3987
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:00,640
you know you know when you

3988
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:02,399
put a picture up if you like angle the

3989
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:03,760
nail up or whatever

3990
02:38:07,349 --> 02:38:05,280
and it would just start falling off the

3991
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:07,359
wall

3992
02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:09,760
and that's how it started this picture

3993
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:13,200
with this woman in the rocking chair

3994
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:19,270
it got weirder because then they started

3995
02:38:22,950 --> 02:38:20,640
having

3996
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:22,960
like whimpering at night they would all

3997
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:24,160
go to bed and there would be this

3998
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:26,640
whimpering

3999
02:38:30,550 --> 02:38:28,319
and this this actually reminds me a lot

4000
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:30,560
of the roadhouse saloon story

4001
02:38:34,389 --> 02:38:33,920
and there would be this whimpering and

4002
02:38:37,349 --> 02:38:34,399
it was

4003
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:37,359
very strange and then it became wailing

4004
02:38:42,309 --> 02:38:39,280
several nights later

4005
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:42,319
just this crying and and they were all

4006
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:43,600
scared and they would get up and they

4007
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,040
would look around and they wouldn't see

4008
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:47,120
anything

4009
02:38:51,270 --> 02:38:49,840
and then finally a few nights later it

4010
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:51,280
got the worst ever

4011
02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:55,280
jay and the family was awakened

4012
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:58,160
when there was this like almost

4013
02:39:02,550 --> 02:38:59,120
screaming and

4014
02:39:06,150 --> 02:39:05,349
and they said it was so bad the pipes

4015
02:39:08,309 --> 02:39:06,160
were shaking

4016
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:08,319
and at that point the mother got the kid

4017
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:10,319
and her friend got her kids and they

4018
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:11,920
said we're getting out of here right now

4019
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:15,359
this is just too intense for these kids

4020
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:18,479
so they went out to the car and the way

4021
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:21,359
the parking lot was is you could see

4022
02:39:24,550 --> 02:39:23,120
like their picture window or like their

4023
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:24,560
patio window

4024
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:27,600
from the parking lot

4025
02:39:31,349 --> 02:39:30,960
they look up and there's a woman sitting

4026
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:31,359
in

4027
02:39:43,429 --> 02:39:39,680
of the reverse of the

4028
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:43,439
road hustler and uh jay said that

4029
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:44,800
he doesn't know where the painting's at

4030
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:46,640
they left they never came back they went

4031
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:47,040
to

4032
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:50,160
i think his grandma's house

4033
02:39:53,429 --> 02:39:51,920
and they still don't know what happened

4034
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:53,439
to the painting this day but that

4035
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:54,960
painting essentially came alive and

4036
02:39:58,870 --> 02:39:56,800
there was some kind of dark energy

4037
02:40:00,070 --> 02:39:58,880
and it really makes me wonder about this

4038
02:40:01,590 --> 02:40:00,080
i kind of

4039
02:40:02,950 --> 02:40:01,600
turn the tables on you and i hate to do

4040
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:02,960
this one somebody will show it to ask

4041
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:03,680
you a question

4042
02:40:07,190 --> 02:40:06,479
do you think objects hold energy do you

4043
02:40:09,349 --> 02:40:07,200
think

4044
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:09,359
that is a thing i believe it is what do

4045
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:10,240
you think i

4046
02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:13,439
i do and i

4047
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:20,870
this

4048
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:24,080
i'll hold it up for you uh one of

4049
02:40:31,830 --> 02:40:28,479
the fader knots um their mom

4050
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:31,840
made this voodoo doll oh cool

4051
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:33,600
there it is it's a jimmy church voodoo

4052
02:40:38,630 --> 02:40:35,840
doll with the guitar

4053
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:38,640
it's got the fade to black shirt uh with

4054
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:39,600
the skull right

4055
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:41,760
okay and i'll hold it up to the camera

4056
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:43,520
for you it looks it's pretty close it's

4057
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,200
got the gray beard

4058
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:47,760
yeah you know there there he is he's got

4059
02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:49,920
this little white stratocaster

4060
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:52,560
right it's got headphones on right okay

4061
02:40:57,349 --> 02:40:53,439
all right pretty cool

4062
02:41:00,790 --> 02:40:57,359
right okay yep this guy

4063
02:41:03,110 --> 02:41:00,800
i used to sit

4064
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:03,120
over here in the corner and i would have

4065
02:41:05,590 --> 02:41:04,240
him standing up

4066
02:41:08,070 --> 02:41:05,600
right right right over there in the

4067
02:41:11,269 --> 02:41:08,080
corner and

4068
02:41:13,750 --> 02:41:11,279
uh one day i came into the bunker and he

4069
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:13,760
has moved

4070
02:41:21,030 --> 02:41:17,359
and i thought to myself

4071
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:21,040
did i did i pick him up did i move him

4072
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:23,279
yeah and just forget about it okay

4073
02:41:28,150 --> 02:41:25,120
whatever so i stand him back

4074
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:28,160
up and i put him back in the corner and

4075
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,479
kind of forget about it come back in uh

4076
02:41:34,070 --> 02:41:32,160
to the studio a couple of days later and

4077
02:41:37,510 --> 02:41:34,080
he's moved again

4078
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:37,520
oh and i

4079
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:40,160
don't stand him up anymore i leave him

4080
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:42,479
laying down and sometimes i put stuff

4081
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:46,640
on him you know what that reminds me of

4082
02:41:50,469 --> 02:41:48,800
that reminds me of the old twilight zone

4083
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,479
uh the dummy with uh

4084
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,640
cliff robertson you remember that i do i

4085
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:54,240
do he's like

4086
02:41:58,469 --> 02:41:56,560
and then the puppet the the the puppet

4087
02:42:01,269 --> 02:41:58,479
comes alive and he's like you put

4088
02:42:02,790 --> 02:42:01,279
words in my mouth you made me what i am

4089
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:02,800
i hope you're

4090
02:42:09,670 --> 02:42:08,870
and that started to uh flip me out a

4091
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:09,680
little bit

4092
02:42:15,510 --> 02:42:13,600
sure and so i i i'm resolving it in my

4093
02:42:17,030 --> 02:42:15,520
own mind i'm going okay i just moved it

4094
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:17,040
i just forgot

4095
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:19,200
uh air conditioning turned on blew him

4096
02:42:24,110 --> 02:42:20,800
over you know i'm thinking

4097
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:24,120
sure these lot michael shermer uh

4098
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:27,040
yeah that too yeah uh but

4099
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:30,319
after the second time now uh

4100
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:33,439
he stays in the laying down position and

4101
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:35,760
sometimes with a heavy object

4102
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:40,560
on top of him so am i i i go back and i

4103
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:42,319
think about some of the famous things in

4104
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:43,439
the past

4105
02:42:49,830 --> 02:42:46,720
uh with these uh with these objects

4106
02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:49,840
that i i think they carry things i think

4107
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:51,120
it's residual i do

4108
02:42:58,389 --> 02:42:54,319
i i dolls freak me out

4109
02:42:59,830 --> 02:42:58,399
uh um yeah yeah i i i do believe i

4110
02:43:03,030 --> 02:42:59,840
talked to rosemary uh

4111
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:03,040
guiley about this a few times um

4112
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:06,080
uh i do believe yeah and i think you

4113
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:08,880
need to be careful you just do

4114
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:11,120
you just do well that's the thing i used

4115
02:43:14,790 --> 02:43:12,960
to my wife hates this stuff so i don't

4116
02:43:17,269 --> 02:43:14,800
do it but i used to love to go

4117
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:17,279
uh to thrift stores and buy stuff like

4118
02:43:22,230 --> 02:43:19,600
old radios and

4119
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:22,240
you know but i do think about that now

4120
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:23,840
are you carrying something back i mean

4121
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:24,479
the actual

4122
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:27,120
uh uh other campfire story i have for

4123
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:27,760
you

4124
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:30,640
actually surrounded that exact topic was

4125
02:43:35,510 --> 02:43:32,080
this gentleman out in la

4126
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:35,520
actually he um and we did we recently

4127
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:37,040
did a video with him

4128
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:39,920
uh he went out to an estate sale and he

4129
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:42,319
was looking at different stuff

4130
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:43,760
and one thing that caught his eye was

4131
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:45,600
this large

4132
02:43:48,490 --> 02:43:47,520
like heavy mirror with this really

4133
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:48,500
ornate gold

4134
02:43:52,550 --> 02:43:50,000
[Music]

4135
02:43:53,830 --> 02:43:52,560
frame on it and he asked how much the

4136
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:53,840
woman wanted

4137
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:57,200
and it was some exorbitant amount that

4138
02:44:02,469 --> 02:43:58,720
he couldn't afford

4139
02:44:03,830 --> 02:44:02,479
and he said you know here's my card if

4140
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:03,840
something comes up and you want to get

4141
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:05,359
rid of some stuff or things give me a

4142
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:06,240
call

4143
02:44:09,349 --> 02:44:07,600
three four days later it's the end of

4144
02:44:10,870 --> 02:44:09,359
the estate sale she calls them says

4145
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:10,880
i've got people here trying to rip me

4146
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:13,520
off i really i really like you

4147
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:17,439
uh come on down so she gives him

4148
02:44:21,590 --> 02:44:19,840
and and you know what he actually didn't

4149
02:44:22,550 --> 02:44:21,600
excuse me he did not look at the mirror

4150
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:22,560
originally

4151
02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:25,120
but but the mirror was there so anyway

4152
02:44:30,630 --> 02:44:27,359
she was um

4153
02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:30,640
he went back and uh he was gonna get the

4154
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:31,600
stuff he wanted

4155
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:34,240
and this is what happened she said hey

4156
02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:35,920
this mirror here i think this is meant

4157
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:37,520
for you

4158
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:39,200
and she just like throws it in i think

4159
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:40,880
or gives it to him very cheaply

4160
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:42,800
so he takes it home and he puts it in

4161
02:44:48,710 --> 02:44:46,560
upstairs bedroom and

4162
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,720
uh anyway weird stuff starts happening

4163
02:44:52,230 --> 02:44:51,040
in the house voices all kinds of weird

4164
02:44:54,550 --> 02:44:52,240
stuff

4165
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,560
so one night he's one day he's taking a

4166
02:45:00,070 --> 02:44:56,800
nap in the bedroom where the mirror is

4167
02:45:03,510 --> 02:45:00,080
and he wakes up and he's groggy and he

4168
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:03,520
sees a group of people in his room

4169
02:45:07,190 --> 02:45:05,840
and there's one guy and they're dressed

4170
02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:07,200
like an old-fashioned clothes and he

4171
02:45:12,630 --> 02:45:08,479
walks up to

4172
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:12,640
he says

4173
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:16,080
we came with the mirror

4174
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:19,520
wait it's not over again we like to

4175
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:22,640
dance we didn't get to finish

4176
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,680
our last dance that's where you come in

4177
02:45:32,630 --> 02:45:31,200
and there were these people in the room

4178
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:32,640
and then they disappeared and he's like

4179
02:45:36,150 --> 02:45:34,479
revving his eyes and stuff and

4180
02:45:37,830 --> 02:45:36,160
it was real and then he told the whole

4181
02:45:40,550 --> 02:45:37,840
story about how there was all this

4182
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:40,560
paranormal investigator come in and i

4183
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:41,040
you know

4184
02:45:45,830 --> 02:45:43,200
but the weird thing is is michael was on

4185
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:45,840
the youtube show a couple weeks ago

4186
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:48,479
the campfire deep dive and he had the

4187
02:45:51,349 --> 02:45:50,000
mirror in the background he kept the

4188
02:45:54,710 --> 02:45:51,359
mirror

4189
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:54,720
and i'm like dude dude i would not keep

4190
02:45:58,710 --> 02:45:56,000
that mirror you got to be

4191
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:58,720
joking see i'm a coward man i would be

4192
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:59,600
like

4193
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:01,359
you know some people say what if you saw

4194
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:04,080
a demon confront you and it's like well

4195
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:06,080
you know i'm not i'm not very fast but

4196
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:10,240
we find out how fast i really am

4197
02:46:13,910 --> 02:46:12,560
mirror from the thrift store coming home

4198
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:13,920
it's just a bad idea

4199
02:46:18,950 --> 02:46:17,120
from the from the words or something i i

4200
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,960
heard i remember hearing art bell

4201
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:20,800
years ago talk about closet doors that

4202
02:46:24,550 --> 02:46:22,640
you shouldn't keep a closet door

4203
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:24,560
open and i've also thought that mirrors

4204
02:46:28,070 --> 02:46:26,240
are very and i think it's a long-held

4205
02:46:30,469 --> 02:46:28,080
thing that people have thought of

4206
02:46:31,349 --> 02:46:30,479
mirrors is a very mystical thing and

4207
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:31,359
even getting into

4208
02:46:34,550 --> 02:46:33,040
talking about rosemary again it always

4209
02:46:37,590 --> 02:46:34,560
comes back to her she was great

4210
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:37,600
scrying and things like that mirrors are

4211
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:38,720
an interesting thing

4212
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:42,319
now uh check this out okay i've got a

4213
02:46:49,269 --> 02:46:46,240
mirror rocking chair story

4214
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:49,279
oh the synchronicity yes

4215
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:53,680
very strange okay uh graham bonnet

4216
02:46:59,429 --> 02:46:56,880
uh the singer uh from rainbow

4217
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:59,439
and uh you know all night long all those

4218
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:00,399
hits

4219
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:02,720
uh uh great one of my favorite singers

4220
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:04,000
and

4221
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:07,120
so graham uh

4222
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:10,880
uh today his image well it has been uh

4223
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:13,840
he's got very short hair now for you

4224
02:47:17,510 --> 02:47:15,600
know very clean-cut gq

4225
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:17,520
and he always wore suit on stage even

4226
02:47:22,630 --> 02:47:19,279
though he's singing these

4227
02:47:25,910 --> 02:47:22,640
rock anthem huge songs these big hits

4228
02:47:29,110 --> 02:47:25,920
with that voice but he had the gq

4229
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:29,120
look right and this is how he got the

4230
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:29,840
look

4231
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:31,680
he tells his story comes on fade to

4232
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:32,960
black

4233
02:47:39,830 --> 02:47:36,080
and he says he uh he gets

4234
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:39,840
uh he gets the gig with rainbow they go

4235
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:42,960
and they record the album um

4236
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:46,240
all night long and and a a couple of

4237
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:47,040
songs are

4238
02:47:53,830 --> 02:47:50,560
you know number one and they have

4239
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:53,840
uh their big debut

4240
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:56,479
is that castle donnington sold out it's

4241
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:58,000
like a half a million people

4242
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:01,279
right okay this is all kicking off

4243
02:48:30,389 --> 02:48:26,309
front room in the living room

4244
02:48:31,349 --> 02:48:30,399
is a rocking chair he's walking down the

4245
02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:31,359
hallway

4246
02:48:37,830 --> 02:48:35,760
mirror

4247
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:37,840
and he's walking down the hallway and he

4248
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:40,560
sees in the mirror

4249
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:43,680
somebody's sitting in the rocking chair

4250
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:47,520
and he's alone right and he stops

4251
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:50,960
he freaks he turns around and he walks

4252
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:52,000
back

4253
02:48:59,030 --> 02:48:55,680
and sitting in the rockings dean dang

4254
02:49:03,030 --> 02:48:59,040
oh yes and so chills he

4255
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:03,040
sits down and has a conversation

4256
02:49:09,590 --> 02:49:06,560
with james dean in his living room

4257
02:49:10,230 --> 02:49:09,600
oh my god now castle donnington the

4258
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:10,240
concert

4259
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:12,960
is about to kick off like in a couple of

4260
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:14,240
days

4261
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:17,279
and after the conversation with james

4262
02:49:22,389 --> 02:49:18,800
dean

4263
02:49:26,309 --> 02:49:22,399
the next day he goes to

4264
02:49:30,150 --> 02:49:26,319
a barber shop and cuts his hair off

4265
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:30,160
like james dean right and then he shows

4266
02:49:33,910 --> 02:49:31,279
up

4267
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:33,920
at cat richie blackmore right the guitar

4268
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:34,399
player

4269
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:37,600
for for rainbow hasn't seen

4270
02:49:41,590 --> 02:49:40,640
graham in a couple of days the last time

4271
02:49:43,910 --> 02:49:41,600
he saw him

4272
02:49:45,429 --> 02:49:43,920
he had the long flowing locks right he's

4273
02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:45,439
the front man he's the singer

4274
02:49:49,110 --> 02:49:47,760
for rainbow right right so he shows up

4275
02:49:52,309 --> 02:49:49,120
at the gig

4276
02:49:55,670 --> 02:49:52,319
at uh castle donington in a suit

4277
02:49:59,110 --> 02:49:55,680
with the gq haircut and richie

4278
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:59,120
lost his mind he's like dude

4279
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:01,359
yeah you're talking about me right right

4280
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:04,160
i can't have you walk out on stage

4281
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:07,279
looking like this you're a rock star

4282
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:09,120
this is rainbow we got a half a million

4283
02:50:13,269 --> 02:50:10,560
people out there

4284
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:13,279
and they had a confrontation about it

4285
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:13,920
and

4286
02:50:17,830 --> 02:50:16,640
um he goes out he does the show it's a

4287
02:50:21,349 --> 02:50:17,840
famous concert

4288
02:50:22,070 --> 02:50:21,359
video of uh of graham walking out on

4289
02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:22,080
stage

4290
02:50:26,150 --> 02:50:24,160
you don't know about what just went down

4291
02:50:29,510 --> 02:50:26,160
backstage before the show

4292
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:29,520
but that's the story with the short hair

4293
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:32,800
and graham today has got

4294
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:36,000
the gq haircut all because of

4295
02:50:40,150 --> 02:50:39,120
the mirror and the rocking chair in his

4296
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:40,160
house

4297
02:50:43,269 --> 02:50:42,080
that's you know i believe in divine

4298
02:50:46,469 --> 02:50:43,279
inspiration

4299
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:46,479
if you hear like famous songwriters or

4300
02:50:50,950 --> 02:50:49,279
famous writers in general you'll hear

4301
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:50,960
this repetitive thing where they say

4302
02:50:54,070 --> 02:50:51,840
well

4303
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:54,080
you know i i wrote my biggest hit song

4304
02:50:57,670 --> 02:50:55,680
in 10 minutes i don't know where it came

4305
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:57,680
from it just came to me

4306
02:51:01,990 --> 02:51:00,319
you know and where does it come from and

4307
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:02,000
i believe that there is divine

4308
02:51:07,590 --> 02:51:04,240
inspiration i don't know if it's our

4309
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,600
who it is and i do believe we tie into

4310
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:09,439
like a collective consciousness or

4311
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:11,040
unconscious uh

4312
02:51:14,389 --> 02:51:13,279
the thing that i reminds me of that is

4313
02:51:16,070 --> 02:51:14,399
you're familiar with the wreck of the

4314
02:51:20,230 --> 02:51:16,080
titan

4315
02:51:24,630 --> 02:51:20,240
story written i think

4316
02:51:26,389 --> 02:51:24,640
about 15 years before the titanic sunk

4317
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:26,399
and lo and if you're not familiar with

4318
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:28,080
the look it up and it

4319
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:30,479
hit almost every point of the titanic

4320
02:51:35,110 --> 02:51:31,439
story

4321
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:37,429
the wreck of the titan you can see what

4322
02:51:41,429 --> 02:51:38,240
i'm doing

4323
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:41,439
the wreck of the titan wreck of the

4324
02:51:51,349 --> 02:51:47,590
and and essentially it was written

4325
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:51,359
huh look at that yeah

4326
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:54,080
check that out and if you want to tell

4327
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:55,600
people what it is you've got it in front

4328
02:52:00,870 --> 02:51:56,160
of you

4329
02:52:04,710 --> 02:52:00,880
written in 1898 yeah uh revised in 1912

4330
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:04,720
and when did the titanic sink 19 19 17

4331
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:07,840
uh was it 19 i thought was 19 i thought

4332
02:52:12,830 --> 02:52:08,880
was 1912.

4333
02:52:14,309 --> 02:52:12,840
okay but it was originally written in

4334
02:52:17,269 --> 02:52:14,319
1898.

4335
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:17,279
14. right here and look at the cover of

4336
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:18,560
the book

4337
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:21,840
the original printing

4338
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:24,560
you would think that was the titanic

4339
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,359
yeah

4340
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:27,600
and it was like there weren't enough

4341
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:29,040
they hit an iceberg

4342
02:52:33,269 --> 02:52:30,880
it was a ship that was thought to be

4343
02:52:34,230 --> 02:52:33,279
unsinkable they had the dimensions of

4344
02:52:35,830 --> 02:52:34,240
the boat in it

4345
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:35,840
or the ship and it almost matched

4346
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:38,960
perfectly uh

4347
02:52:43,349 --> 02:52:40,960
all these different touchstones that

4348
02:52:45,349 --> 02:52:43,359
were in that story

4349
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:45,359
14 years before it sunk yeah it says

4350
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:46,880
right here it's uh

4351
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:49,920
published in 1898 the wreck of the titan

4352
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:51,760
it features a fictional british ocean

4353
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:53,279
liner titan

4354
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:55,359
that sinks in the north atlantic after

4355
02:53:00,790 --> 02:52:57,200
striking an iceberg

4356
02:53:01,910 --> 02:53:00,800
the titan is uh with it's famous for its

4357
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:01,920
similarities to

4358
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:05,200
the rms titanic and it's sinking 14

4359
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:05,840
years

4360
02:53:12,389 --> 02:53:09,359
later i i did not know

4361
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:12,399
i did not know that and

4362
02:53:19,030 --> 02:53:16,160
that that jimmy is wild and wacky stuff

4363
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:19,040
and only you and i will get that well um

4364
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:19,439
and

4365
02:53:27,510 --> 02:53:25,910
i almost want to go into one more

4366
02:53:31,110 --> 02:53:27,520
campfire story bef

4367
02:53:32,710 --> 02:53:31,120
before we say good night but instead of

4368
02:53:35,100 --> 02:53:32,720
that

4369
02:53:37,030 --> 02:53:35,110
the would you

4370
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:37,040
[Music]

4371
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:39,600
would you ghost hunt your own house

4372
02:53:43,269 --> 02:53:40,240
knowing

4373
02:53:47,030 --> 02:53:43,279
everything that you know now

4374
02:53:50,870 --> 02:53:47,040
would you want to know what is going on

4375
02:53:52,550 --> 02:53:50,880
no i wouldn't now tell you why

4376
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:52,560
because you know the most important

4377
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:55,760
thing to me in life is my family

4378
02:54:01,510 --> 02:53:59,279
and i do believe that uh there's an old

4379
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:01,520
saying it's not very nice

4380
02:54:07,429 --> 02:54:03,920
the more you stir in stuff the more it

4381
02:54:11,670 --> 02:54:11,190
but it's not stuff and i think that you

4382
02:54:14,389 --> 02:54:11,680
can

4383
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:14,399
kind of bring things up so if that's the

4384
02:54:17,030 --> 02:54:16,319
place where i have to live and my family

4385
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:17,040
has to live

4386
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:20,080
i don't wanna it's like the old leave

4387
02:54:26,309 --> 02:54:23,439
sleeping dogs lie i would not there

4388
02:54:27,030 --> 02:54:26,319
is uh there's another uh speaking about

4389
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:27,040
bigfoot

4390
02:54:31,110 --> 02:54:30,080
and and skepticism and skepticism is

4391
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:31,120
good

4392
02:54:34,389 --> 02:54:34,000
um and i've had my own ghost experiences

4393
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:34,399
that

4394
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:38,560
enough for me to scratch my head

4395
02:54:47,590 --> 02:54:42,720
um but why isn't there

4396
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:47,600
sightings ghost of neanderthals

4397
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:49,359
why isn't there you know that's an

4398
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:51,439
interesting i never thought of that

4399
02:54:55,830 --> 02:54:55,120
why i mean neanderthals are people too

4400
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:55,840
man

4401
02:55:01,349 --> 02:54:59,200
yeah exactly right cro-magnon

4402
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:01,359
right i'm sure that there were some

4403
02:55:06,150 --> 02:55:02,880
pretty gnarly battles

4404
02:55:09,269 --> 02:55:06,160
out in the open plains um uh

4405
02:55:11,510 --> 02:55:09,279
in during a snowstorm over some food

4406
02:55:12,630 --> 02:55:11,520
and there was a lot of bloodletting that

4407
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:12,640
that went on

4408
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:16,560
for survival and and that makes sense

4409
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:18,479
i mean it makes sense i mean you raise a

4410
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:20,479
valid point but i i did have

4411
02:55:24,469 --> 02:55:22,560
someone say that in europe they thought

4412
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:24,479
that they saw like a ghost column of

4413
02:55:29,269 --> 02:55:26,080
roman soldiers

4414
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:29,279
i could okay we'll see yes

4415
02:55:35,429 --> 02:55:32,800
yeah right right it's it's always that

4416
02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:35,439
and i can i can appreciate that uh here

4417
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:36,880
in the united states we hear about

4418
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:39,680
confederate soldiers in union soldiers

4419
02:55:44,389 --> 02:55:42,319
or gettysburg i get that but what about

4420
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:44,399
what about the neanderthals that were in

4421
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:45,760
gettysburg

4422
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:48,399
where are those guys right now that's a

4423
02:55:51,110 --> 02:55:49,359
great point

4424
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:51,120
see the thing is is that there's very

4425
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:52,640
little original in

4426
02:55:56,070 --> 02:55:54,640
the field most questions you've heard

4427
02:55:57,190 --> 02:55:56,080
phrased one way or the other that's one

4428
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:57,200
i've never heard

4429
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:59,200
maybe their soul was at a different

4430
02:56:04,070 --> 02:56:00,560
level of development

4431
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:04,080
maybe i yeah i don't know i don't know

4432
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:07,840
um and one other one other point

4433
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,880
uh that i find fascinating with this is

4434
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:13,200
when we are talking about

4435
02:56:21,030 --> 02:56:16,800
uh ufos and and things

4436
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:21,040
of uh traveling vast distances of space

4437
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:24,160
what if going back to ghost and

4438
02:56:28,150 --> 02:56:26,560
and other things what what if it's just

4439
02:56:30,790 --> 02:56:28,160
time travelers

4440
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:30,800
what if these ghosts that we are seeing

4441
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:31,520
are just

4442
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:34,640
merely time travelers maybe it's not

4443
02:56:38,469 --> 02:56:35,760
spirits

4444
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:38,479
maybe the ufos maybe these ets are just

4445
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:38,960
us

4446
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:41,600
from the future or from or from the

4447
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,439
distant past

4448
02:56:48,550 --> 02:56:46,160
yeah i remember when art bell had john

4449
02:56:51,590 --> 02:56:48,560
teeter on if you remember that from

4450
02:56:53,990 --> 02:56:51,600
i am the john teeter expert yes

4451
02:56:55,110 --> 02:56:54,000
and i found that i mean i just remember

4452
02:56:58,469 --> 02:56:55,120
listening to that and being

4453
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:58,479
riveted now you know so i mean that is

4454
02:57:01,030 --> 02:57:00,319
really interesting to me and that's it

4455
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:01,040
people's

4456
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,120
people i'm sure you've had people say

4457
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:05,840
jimmy if you could have

4458
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:08,800
superpower what would it be to me the

4459
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:11,840
ultimate superpower is time travel

4460
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:13,520
not that we want to go back and change

4461
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:14,800
anything because we all know about the

4462
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:16,640
butterfly fact and the grandmother

4463
02:57:21,830 --> 02:57:19,279
paradox and all that stuff

4464
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:21,840
but just to go back and see what it was

4465
02:57:25,670 --> 02:57:23,439
really like because i love like watching

4466
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:25,680
like mad men for example i love that

4467
02:57:29,510 --> 02:57:27,439
because i'd love to see

4468
02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:29,520
that era fascinated me and i'd love to

4469
02:57:33,590 --> 02:57:30,720
like just visit

4470
02:57:35,429 --> 02:57:33,600
just as a tourist i'd like to go see

4471
02:57:38,550 --> 02:57:35,439
abraham lincoln give a speech

4472
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:38,560
i'd like to i'd like to go see jesus

4473
02:57:42,070 --> 02:57:39,279
christ

4474
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:42,080
i'm not i'm not being funny i am serious

4475
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:44,160
i would like to be able to be like a

4476
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:45,840
time travel tourist

4477
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:47,439
that would be the most that to me that

4478
02:57:51,349 --> 02:57:49,200
would be the ultimate superpower

4479
02:57:52,870 --> 02:57:51,359
you know i would i would want to do that

4480
02:57:56,070 --> 02:57:52,880
i would love to go

4481
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:56,080
and check out the pyramids

4482
02:57:59,830 --> 02:57:58,960
as they were being built but this so you

4483
02:58:03,190 --> 02:57:59,840
know you know

4484
02:58:04,309 --> 02:58:03,200
why but this is what's messed up about

4485
02:58:07,349 --> 02:58:04,319
that

4486
02:58:10,469 --> 02:58:07,359
how do we know what year

4487
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:10,479
any of this stuff happened wait you know

4488
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:12,880
so you're assuming but you can't get to

4489
02:58:16,950 --> 02:58:13,680
the exact

4490
02:58:20,950 --> 02:58:16,960
yeah right right like like jesus

4491
02:58:24,150 --> 02:58:20,960
right so going back to 30 a.d

4492
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:24,160
or 20 a.d you know they're somewhere

4493
02:58:27,990 --> 02:58:26,720
what if you're off by a hundred years

4494
02:58:30,070 --> 02:58:28,000
yeah or or five

4495
02:58:31,190 --> 02:58:30,080
or right right you know i miss as good

4496
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:31,200
as a mile right

4497
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:34,800
right and and so i go back to 50 bc

4498
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,960
when uh supposedly the pyramids were

4499
02:58:40,790 --> 02:58:39,040
being built by khafre and khufu

4500
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:40,800
uh the pharaohs and i go back and

4501
02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:42,479
they're already there

4502
02:58:46,389 --> 02:58:45,040
they're already built and you missed it

4503
02:58:49,750 --> 02:58:46,399
uh you know so that's

4504
02:58:51,190 --> 02:58:49,760
that's the thing but uh going back to

4505
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:51,200
the 1950s

4506
02:58:57,670 --> 02:58:54,560
i would love it 1920s i would be

4507
02:58:59,429 --> 02:58:57,680
spot on i don't know about the old west

4508
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,439
you know there's too many diseases and

4509
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:01,040
things that's true

4510
02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:03,520
pretty funky no there's no dysentery

4511
02:59:05,510 --> 02:59:04,080
thank you

4512
02:59:07,750 --> 02:59:05,520
but i would go back to leave it to

4513
02:59:11,269 --> 02:59:07,760
beaver i i would definitely

4514
02:59:12,630 --> 02:59:11,279
uh want to experience uh and see that

4515
02:59:15,670 --> 02:59:12,640
for real and i just

4516
02:59:19,110 --> 02:59:15,680
missed it you know i was born in 63. um

4517
02:59:21,510 --> 02:59:19,120
so the 60s are very vivid for me

4518
02:59:24,429 --> 02:59:21,520
and it's a romantic period kicking it

4519
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:24,439
back 10 years going back to 55

4520
02:59:30,070 --> 02:59:28,560
1950 the nuclear age the nuclear family

4521
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:30,080
and the mom coming out of the kitchen

4522
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:32,000
with the tray of warm brownies and some

4523
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:32,960
milk

4524
02:59:37,510 --> 02:59:35,200
um i would i would like to experience

4525
02:59:40,150 --> 02:59:37,520
that for sure

4526
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:40,160
yeah it would be cool it would be very

4527
02:59:43,670 --> 02:59:41,120
cool indeed

4528
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:43,680
now has this conversation been just an

4529
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:45,120
amazing night and

4530
02:59:48,150 --> 02:59:46,800
we've got to roll out of here jim but

4531
02:59:50,070 --> 02:59:48,160
before we do

4532
02:59:54,830 --> 02:59:50,080
you've got four sites we've got

4533
03:00:00,269 --> 02:59:56,910
jimmychurchradio.comheraldplus.com

4534
03:00:01,590 --> 03:00:00,279
greattvpodcast.com and uh

4535
03:00:03,110 --> 03:00:01,600
soulmatestoriespodcast.com

4536
03:00:04,710 --> 03:00:03,120
everything is over there jim where's the

4537
03:00:05,750 --> 03:00:04,720
best place for everybody to reach out

4538
03:00:07,990 --> 03:00:05,760
for you

4539
03:00:09,030 --> 03:00:08,000
really the best place is jim harold.com

4540
03:00:11,830 --> 03:00:09,040
and also

4541
03:00:13,910 --> 03:00:11,840
our facebook group is 21 000 strong

4542
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:13,920
virtual campfire group dot com

4543
03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:15,920
that's where people tell their stories

4544
03:00:20,230 --> 03:00:18,240
24 7 and we keep it very

4545
03:00:22,790 --> 03:00:20,240
well regulated and we keep a close eye

4546
03:00:24,309 --> 03:00:22,800
so it's a nice space for people to

4547
03:00:25,830 --> 03:00:24,319
share their stories and talk about them

4548
03:00:27,510 --> 03:00:25,840
with each other yeah thank you so much

4549
03:00:29,510 --> 03:00:27,520
in a couple of days

4550
03:00:30,950 --> 03:00:29,520
uh i get to return the favor and come

4551
03:00:33,349 --> 03:00:30,960
over and hang out with you and i look

4552
03:00:36,630 --> 03:00:33,359
forward to that thank you so much jim

4553
03:00:38,790 --> 03:00:36,640
thank you jimmy enjoy your night and

4554
03:00:40,550 --> 03:00:38,800
bumper-to-bumper with jim harold i've

4555
03:00:41,830 --> 03:00:40,560
got to get straight out of here and get

4556
03:00:44,710 --> 03:00:41,840
to credits

4557
03:00:45,030 --> 03:00:44,720
uh absolutely all of the links for jim

4558
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:45,040
are

4559
03:00:49,990 --> 03:00:48,240
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4560
03:00:51,670 --> 03:00:50,000
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4561
03:00:53,670 --> 03:00:51,680
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4562
03:00:55,110 --> 03:00:53,680
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4563
03:00:57,190 --> 03:00:55,120
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4564
03:00:58,150 --> 03:00:57,200
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4565
03:01:01,510 --> 03:00:58,160
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4566
03:01:01,830 --> 03:01:01,520
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4567
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4568
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:04,840
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4569
03:01:08,150 --> 03:01:06,000
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4570
03:01:09,830 --> 03:01:08,160
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4571
03:01:11,269 --> 03:01:09,840
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4572
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4573
03:01:15,349 --> 03:01:13,120
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4574
03:01:17,030 --> 03:01:15,359
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4575
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4577
03:01:21,110 --> 03:01:20,479
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4578
03:01:22,710 --> 03:01:21,120
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4579
03:01:24,309 --> 03:01:22,720
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4580
03:01:25,990 --> 03:01:24,319
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4581
03:01:27,670 --> 03:01:26,000
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4582
03:01:30,630 --> 03:01:27,680
right here matthew

4583
03:01:31,349 --> 03:01:30,640
bailey artificial intelligence all night

4584
03:01:33,590 --> 03:01:31,359
long

4585
03:01:35,510 --> 03:01:33,600
special thanks to jim harold i'm your

4586
03:01:37,590 --> 03:01:35,520
host jimmy church until tomorrow night i

4587
03:01:48,220 --> 03:01:37,600
want everybody to be safe

4588
03:02:00,830 --> 03:01:48,230
it's time to fade the black

4589
03:02:12,880 --> 03:02:02,580
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